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koolance
18-09-05, 00:13
Hey,

wondering if anyone has thought about or organized a rolling road day in scotland ? ive noticed theres a few scottish owners on here,
Steviekid
18-09-05, 14:01
No, but I know someone that organised one for the SXOC guys at AVA in Glasgow. Think it went pretty well so wouldn't be too hard to arrange.
Todd
18-09-05, 14:16
If they can do autos then I'm defo up for it :)
Ian W
18-09-05, 15:13
sound like a great idea guys, unfortunately i'm not gonna make it to Crail (obviously since it is/was today)........

i'd definitely be interested.....

:sly:
koolance
18-09-05, 15:18
AVA can do auto's also tuning zone in livingston
Paul -C-
18-09-05, 19:02
I got mine dyno'd at Dastek, who were pretty good.
tDR
18-09-05, 19:09
Dastek can't do auto's, tuning zone are shit (IMO) so that leaves AVA or STAR performance.

Cheers,

Brian.
Todd
18-09-05, 19:14
Star didn't want to know about Autos last time I was there at a RR :(
Irvy
18-09-05, 19:35
star is the only place that managed to dyno mine...they were ok about it
ps - crail was fun today
tDR
18-09-05, 19:45
star is the only place that managed to dyno mine...they were ok about it
ps - crail was fun today
Yeah it was great fun at Crail today - I was busy drifting my m8s dark blue S14a 200SX most of the time, bloody great fun I was having :read: Got through 2x sets of rear tyres today :thumbs:
bedlam
18-09-05, 21:30
Brian

Dastek CAN do autos, Gerry just wont do them as they are such a pita to do..if you all do the 3rd gear lock,then i am sure Gerry will do your dynos np.

Andy
PS
And i did hear that Star are to keen on doing auto now.
tDR
18-09-05, 21:43
Brian

Dastek CAN do autos, Gerry just wont do them as they are such a pita to do..if you all do the 3rd gear lock,then i am sure Gerry will do your dynos np.

Andy - tried that with Irvine's - no Joy, unless you consider 800 + bhp an accurate reading! :looney: Gerry said to me then that Soarer auto's were OK but Supra auto's couldn't be done.
bedlam
19-09-05, 10:36
Brian

So you did this to Irvine's car ....

http://www.mkivsupra.net/vbb/showpost.php?p=540891&postcount=47

Cause the autobox in the Soarer is the same as the one in the Supra the only diff being the tailshaft section, which can be replaced.

Andy
mad k
19-09-05, 10:45
Torque Performance in Motherwellare getting a Dyno in 3 weeks time, I fancy trying them.

K.
tDR
19-09-05, 17:38
Most people won't have the ability / skill / inclination to do that Andy so not really an option for an RR day unless someone wants to make a lockup box with a fields type harness to quickly switch between auto cars on the RR day.

Kenny - what kinda dyno are they getting in?

Cheers,

Bri.
Ross_
19-09-05, 19:32
Brian from what i am told its a dastek 4wd rolling road

Btw i am coming along if u do get a RR day sorted (in the skyline)

Ross
tDR
20-09-05, 08:44
Sounds good Ross, but does that mean they will likely have issues with auto's too?
bedlam
20-09-05, 11:59
Brian

They will have the exact same problems most RR.s have with auto's.

I spoke with Paul at Dastek this morning and i have emailed him the instructions on how to do the lockup, he will have a look and see if it is possible to do some sorta plugin which could be swapped over quickly.

Andy
garethr
20-09-05, 14:46
Gerry said to me then that Soarer autos were OK but Supra autos couldn't be done.

I was under the impression that the Supra box in manual mode would not change down from 3rd, or am I mistaken? The Soarer definitely cannot be held in 3rd, only in 2nd (PWR and 2).

Or is there another reason that autos are a problem on the rolling road?
bedlam
20-09-05, 15:44
Having the supra in the usual manual mode dont work like having a supra manual in 3rd on a dyno.

MAtt on the link, has given the instructions on how to get TRUE 3rd gear lockup.which cant be done on a Soarer,well i havent actually checked it out on my own as i'm a lazy git :), and some of the pinouts on the ecu aint the exact same as the Supra.

And Gerry DOES dyno our car, as he is the guy who maps our car, but he's a freind and he sorta started something that he really shouldnt have,and now is left with me hounding him :).

But he dynos our car in drive with o/d off and pwr on, the main problem with the auto is that he has no control over how the box changes, and cant get a torque figure outta a auto car,as it shoots all over the place on the changes.

Other place's have the same problem with autos infact there are places down south that wont touch a autobox car, as they like to trip out there dynos :), which ours did to Dasteks at 155mph.

Oh and you can hold a Soarer in 3rd,but your still having to go through the other gears to get there.

And doing the dyno in 2nd gear WILL give you a torque reading but i believe it's not the way a proper dyno should be done.

Andy
garethr
20-09-05, 18:13
So the problem is both change-down and the torque converter slip under acceleration?


It's more expensive than a relay :), but it appears to be possible to use the "SupraStick" on the Soarer. If it does work it gives full manual shift control AND control of torque converter lock-up.
bedlam
20-09-05, 18:21
The supra box tail is not the same as the soarer box, the tail has to be changed over so you can fit the box into a Soarer.

So i dont think that's possible (well ANYTHING is possible) just would be a pita to do.

And yes the changedown is the main problem when dynoing an auto, the operator dont have control of the car the way they do when dynoing a manual,bleeding thing is all over the place :).

Andy
garethr
20-09-05, 18:33
Thanks, I think I get it now. The mod to the Supra locks the TC so that there's no slip and prevents the box changing down, so on the rolling road it should behave like a manual.
bedlam
20-09-05, 20:33
Shame no one works at toyota cause they have a device that can be plugged intoan autobox and a passanger can use the device to run the autobox like a manual...now where could i find one of them little things :).

Andy