wireing up Component speakers

[DamanC]

Bottom line is in crap when it comes to wiring things up car audio wise, and im an IT engineer and so should atleast have a little knowlege! :giveup:

Ive brought myself a set of 17cm Pioneer TSE175C component speakers and have made myself up the brackets to hold the bigger speaker and spent all day lineing up the speaker so that the cover sits right. Its looks great, the downside is i havent wired them up simply because im not sure how too :(

what i got in the box was times two 17cm speakers (4 connectors on each back of two different sizes), tweeter (2 wires coming off) and a longer cable (two cables stuck together) and about 3/4 of the way down i "think" is the filter

im going to mount the tweeter in the existing tweater position. Now how do i go about this? there are obviosly 2 wires (green and blue, same markings) that went to the old larger speaker (conector block of some sort on the end) and understand there are another 2 wires that go to the tweeter.

ive only got round to the drivers side so far :( and currently have them unconnected, i havent touched the tweeters yet! :scare: now the passenger side speaker and tweeter work playing what it should, and the drivers side tweeter works playing only the "high stuff"

am i correct in thinking i can simply extend the old wireing in the door and connect it to two of the four pins on the big speeker. the tweeter simply pull out and use the old wireing? however if that is the case what happens to the inline filter that comes with the speakers, is it not used?

or do i use the longer cable that came with the speakers to connect the large cone to the tweeter, which i would like to add would be a nightmare to route, and the old wireing in the door connects to the two remaining pins on the large cone?

I have a pioneer 6series headunit, will be swapping out for my 7400 over the next week (which sould just be a unplug and replug job) if thats any help

Next week ill be wireing my sub and amp up........god help me :hide:

sorry for the uber post, but hopefully this is clear and any help would be greatly appreciated as not having any sounds is not so fun :(

[carl0s]

the filter must be used. The stock tweeters have a filter soldered to the back of them (a capacitor). You'll damage the tweeters if they receive unfiltered power.

erm. I'd worry about getting the tweeters out first. Was a ballache on mine. There are posts about it on here though so do a search. In a nutshell the preferred way is to rip the cover off (without damaging it), rip the old tweeters out and unscrew the magnet which gets left behind.

Don't know why your speakers have four wires. Seems wierd. Perhaps they are just meant for keeping the wiring tidier - so you run from the 17cm speakers straight over to the tweeters.

[carl0s]

Sorry, that's not the preferred way. It's the 'most feasable' way. The preferred way is to take out the whole of the dashboard :eek:

[DamanC]

I can live with destroying the existing tweeters :flame: what i cant live with is removing the entire dash!

are you saying i have to run the suplied filter cable from the 17cm cone to the tweeters? :scare: could i just cut the filter out and stick it into the existing tweeter wireing?

gonna have another crack at it tommorow so any imput before then is greatly appreciated

[Matt T]

So they dont come with a crossover unit? I'm thinking one of the speaker connectors on the driver is an output for the tweeters? Did it not come with instructions? Should explain in there :)

[DamanC]

No instructions :(

there is a rather gash diagram on the back which looks a bit like this:

Big cone]-----\\------[tweeter


What i have done is wired the 6.5" speakers upto the original wireing, so far sounds pritty good :) i think what i can then do is put the inline filter (which appars to probably be a capasitor/resistor) and wire it in between the existing tweeter wire and the new tweeter........sound ok?

[Bob]

Any pics mate? Your speaker wire from your head unit or amp should go straight to the crossover (usually a black box type thing ;) ), this should then have another 4 terminals on it, 2 for + and - tweeters, 2 for + and - main drivers (6.5" speakers).

[Matt T]

Any pics mate? Your speaker wire from your head unit or amp should go straight to the crossover (usually a black box type thing ;) ), this should then have another 4 terminals on it, 2 for + and - tweeters, 2 for + and - main drivers (6.5" speakers).
The set doesnt come with passive crossover units, hence the inline capacitor on the tweeter wire.

Try looking on the Pioneer site they may have pdf's on there :)

[DamanC]

heres a couple of pics.......what the hell is a pfd :tumble:

the box
http://img95.imageshack.us/img95/3935/imgp05685wz.jpg

that strange diagram
http://img14.imageshack.us/img14/3663/imgp05695ci.jpg

the speaker cable
http://img95.imageshack.us/img95/9354/imgp05705aa.jpg

back of speaker
http://img95.imageshack.us/img95/9529/imgp05710ab.jpg

tweeter
http://img95.imageshack.us/img95/4021/imgp05721cb.jpg

how i think it may go (orginal speaker wire going to the spare connectors)
http://img95.imageshack.us/img95/5299/imgp05731je.jpg

front of box
http://img6.imageshack.us/img6/7559/imgp05758wq.jpg

it it has to be the second from last pic way it looks like a mission!!! :drown:

[Matt T]

Ah yes i was right, the tweeters connect to one of the forks and the output from the headunit goes to the other forks :)

[Pete]

No crossover?

[DamanC]

no no crossover :(

"17CM, 2 Way Components, 220 Watts Max, 60 Watts RMS, Magnesium Hybrid Cone, Titanium Tweeter, Power Blades, Fitting Kit, In-Line Capacitor, 28-32kHz, 91dB Sensitivity"

ok if i have to wire it from the speaker to the tweeter how the hell do i route the wire????? can i just not put the capaistor inline with the existing tweeter wire?

[carl0s]

you don't *have* to wire from the mid to the tweeter. Just run the tweeters off the existing tweeter wires. There is a capacitor in the cable to your tweeters there which acts as the filter. join the existing tweeter wires up to the end of those new tweeter wires and all will be well..


The double-connectors are just to make it easier to run the tweeters from the same cable as the mids.

hope you didn't pay much for them :rolleyes:

[tbourner]

I've put my tweeters in the door, much easier!!

[tbourner]

Saves a lot of hassle, I had the same thoughts when deciding where to put my tweeters.

[DamanC]

I paid £60 for them, im no audiophille but as long as its half decent im happy.

take it there poo then Carlos?

cheers for the advice guys, i really didnt fancy taking the dash out, much appeciated :)

[carl0s]

I paid £60 for them, im no audiophille but as long as its half decent im happy.

take it there poo then Carlos?

cheers for the advice guys, i really didnt fancy taking the dash out, much appeciated :)

nah I'm just not a fan of Pioneer type stuff. I'd had loads and always been very disappointed. Bad advice from the local Car Audio place really. Many years ago I had a great set of Kenwoods, but the experience was never repeated again through nunmerous later pairs and alpines and pioneers..
£60 seems about right.