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Dusty,
Dont suppose you have any customers who have this combination over there? Could you get any pictures? Ideally I woud like some CE28N's to go with a TRD widebody kit, but I think the CE28 only comes in up to 10.5" width. This project is some way off yet, as I have just bought a house, which needs a lot of work doing (including a garage/workshop :eyebrows: )
James
Wouldn't look very good...
You need 18x10 front and 18x12 rear. I have seen as large as 19x10 front & 19x13 rear with 345 tires. An 18x10.5 certainly wouldn't fill it up proper...
Regards,
Dusty
thats what I thought... what about a low offset wheel on the rear? Or.. perhaps having the rim widened?
which wheels commonly get used for a widebody then? I see what looks like Blitz z-01's a lot
thats what I thought... what about a low offset wheel on the rear? Or.. perhaps having the rim widened?
You could do a really low offset to help fill up the outer gap. Still wouldn't look very good from the rear though.
You could have it widened but if done improperly it will kill the integrity of the wheel.
Regards,
Dusty
which wheels commonly get used for a widebody then? I see what looks like Blitz z-01's a lot
Blitz makes nothing wider than 10".
Volk used to make up to 13" but they discontinued everything wider than 11" about a year ago due to low sales.
The 3 brands I offer that can get as wide as you need are Veilside (Andrew Racing), HRE, and Fikse.
Regards,
Dusty
thanks dusty I will take a look at their respective websites!
I've got SSRs if that helps in 18x10 and 18x12
I've got SSRs if that helps in 18x10 and 18x12
Decolte Evolutions?? They are discontinued IIRC
Decolte Evolutions?? They are discontinued IIRC
Yup, recently- but I presumed that SSR made other wheels?
Yup, recently- but I presumed that SSR made other wheels?
Yeah nowt as lovely as the decolte though IMHO :cry:
Image Wheels will make you anything you want from billet stock... www.imagewheels.co.uk
Obviously it'd cost you though, but if you are going for 19*13 with 345 tyres on you must have the disposable income of a sheik :)
-Ian
SSR went out of business a few months ago. They were $60M USD in debt. I don't know how a wheel company gets $60M in debt, but they managed to...
Regards,
Dusty
...I don't know how a wheel company gets $60M in debt, but they managed to...
Regards,
Dusty
They must have married my ex-wife's twin sister :(
SSR went out of business a few months ago. They were $60M USD in debt. I don't know how a wheel company gets $60M in debt, but they managed to...
Regards,
Dusty
In that case don't bother trying to get SSR's :D
Does that mean my mint condition ones are worth more then? :innocent:
Hmm.. still dont know what wheels to get... I really want CE28n's but in 12" for the rear bugger.
Find out whats available in the width and narrow it down from there. It's well worth it!!
have found a couple of pictures of the HRE's they look lush, but 2000 per wheel? Even with the favourable exchange rate, it made me draw in breath sharply!
Having got trd wbk on my car i dont think you need to go to 12" or 13" wide on the rear, im useing 19x10 frnt and 19x11.5 rear, in fact i think 19x11 on the rear would also look fine.
what size tyres are you running?
Hi
Im useing pirelli p zero's and there 255x35x19 front and 295x30x19 rear, those size rims really fill the arches just about right, if anythink i could have had 11" wide rears which wouldnt have sat quite so flush with the rear wings, looks fine from behind too, just a bit of tram lining down poor quality rds but when you find a nice bit the car drives superbly.
Why fit 295's when you could fit 345's? You could have 275's on the front. Imagine the traction and handling...
If I was going to go widebody I would fill up the gap with as big a tire as I good. To me that's half the reason to go widebody.
Just my 2 cents...
Regards,
Dusty
Hi Dusty
Yep i agree you can fit much bigger width rims and tyres than im useing but was just pointing out as an option that you dont need to and it will still look great and save a lot of £££'s in being able to use narrower tyres on the narrower rims.
Rubber here is very expensive my rears are approx £250 each so god knows how much a 345x30x19 tyre would be. (i'll find out)
Also knowing how close my tyres are to catching and rubbing in certain places then imo going even wider has got to cause some probs.
I dont have any traction issues at all in the dry, only in the wet do i have any probs with traction and to be honest the handling isnt getting better as the car now tramlines far more than it did before on our loverly rds, on track yep there would be no issues but as road use your def making the car worse.
Have attached pik of the side of my car
Regards
Dnk
If the wheel offset is correct, you could get much larger rubber in there. TBH I assume Dusty is talking about more powerful supras, and I have very sticky 295's rear and dry traction is still an issue with a baby single, so 345's would help greatly. I hear what you are saying about tramlining, it is just a trade of for more grip IMO. I really depends if the car is for show or go I suppose.
BTW I run 265/35/18 front & 295/35/18 rear on a stock bodied car.
I agree if your cars got shed loads of hp then more rubber the better, mines got a max of i guess around 420 ish so big hp isnt an issue for me and never will be as im v happy with that.
My rims have the correct offsets and fill the arch's perfectly but you could go wider ie towards the shocks, but having looked very closely at what gaps ive got then think going much bigger will def cause probs.
My fronts now just very lightly rub on full lock and my rears are flush with the wings so you cant go wider apart from inwardly as ive said to the shocks and if i was to add another 1.5" to the rear then it would be very close indeed.
I'll have to jack the back of my car up and take some measurements and pickies.
Regards
Dnk
FYI I have put an 11.5 on a stock bodied car at the rear before with rolled arches, so a 13 so be pretty easy on a wide body., assuming it increases the car width by at least 1.5" either side ??
Oooo, just looking at that "image wheels" site and got a bit moist for these :thumbs:
http://www.imagewheels.co.uk/photos/small_classic/d_type.jpg
I know they are a bit "old skool" but imagine them in 18" dia and 12" width http://forum.hondarevolutions.com/images/smiles/nodding.gif
Or am I just getting old :conf:
Just one thing..... if you have a narrower tire, your effective track increases as it is measured from the middle of the tyre on one side to the middle of the tyre on the other. I know Lotus put narrower tyres on the second generation Elise because they wanted to widen the track - and last time I checked they knew a lot about handling...
Dnk... pictures would be appreciated.... I guess a rear view of a TRD widebody would help to see if it does look like it is running on matchsticks with narrow tyres, or whether it looks acceptable. Personally I think the Supe on 9.5" standard wheels look very leath from the rear.
sorry.. for leath read meaty :sly:
I'll post what ive got but next week my car will be on a 2 post ramp at my old race team shop where i'll do some pickies and measure up some clearances that are on my car.
They def dont look like silly narrow wheels and tyres to me but heres a couple to help but i'll take a few to give you better idea and from underneath.
yeah, they look fine. nice bodykit as well - very jealous! what rear width are they again? 11" or 10.5" ?
The TRD Widebody adds right at 50mm to the rear. I don't have a precise number but with the correct offset of wheel you can definitely fit a wide tire, I have personally been involved with 2 Supras that have 345's.
I was referring to bigger HP Supras, as Terry said, that need the traction. On a BPU Supra I agree that 345's are overkill. On a single turbo all bets are off, traction becomes something you always crave more of.
Tires are a bit spendy, I assume if its your daily driver you wouldn't want to pay out of a 345 eh? But then again if its your daily driver and its a TRD Widebody you probably don't work for minimum wage either.
I don't know much about Lotus, we have very few of them here. Think I've seen about 5 in my life. I do know that every road-course event I have ever been to people are talking about how they want wider wheels or bragging about how they already have wider wheels. My personal experience on the course tells me the same thing. If more narrow wheels were the best for handling wouldn't Ferrari put 185's on their track-edition 360 Modena? I mean after all it is built totally for track, not for street use or legality. :confused:
Regards,
Dusty
hmm. I think lotus and ferrari must have come at the problem from two separate sides. I suppose the Lotus has only 150-190bhp, a lot would be wasted through rolling resistance on wide tyres, and also the weight issuse was paramount with that car. As for the Lotus being rare in the US, yes it is... but soon it will be there with a Toyota powerplant (and a few extra lbs for all those US market must haves like a/c). In the meantime, check out Symbolic Motor Company in La Jolla, Ca....
Dusty
It seems this thread has stirred up a little interest.. can you post prices of the HRE and Fikse wheels along with their respective sizes?
HRE and Fikse both have a ton of options and a lot of models to choose from. The easiest thing to do is go to their websites and choose what you want. It is impossible for me to list them all, I'd be here all night.
www.hrewheels.com
www.fikse.com
If someone lists a very specific wheel and option I am happy to provide a quote. That would give someone a rough idea the general cost of them.
Thanks,
Dusty
yes. point taken, there are a lot of options there. What sort of discount off RRP could be expected from HRE? Oh and I see they are in Vista, Ca - not far from San Diego and Maybe worth a trip when I am out there in a couple of weeks
dusty, any chance on a quote on 2x18" 10" width and 2x18" 12" width chrome veilside evolutions?
Will they fit my TRD WB supe? (See dudes current thread)
And will i be better with 9" width on the front do you think, or 10"???
Al, you can run 9.5-10" on a stock car! Deffo 10"+ but the car will tramline.
Gaz Walker
11-04-05, 14:28
dusty, any chance on a quote on 2x18" 10" width and 2x18" 12" width chrome veilside evolutions?
They aren't available anymore Al - they were made by SSR wheels who went bust in Feb.
Gaz.
so, in terms of good looking wheels, it looks like HRE are the ones most suited to my taste - shame I will need a King's ransom to buy a set but I suppose the will give you pretty much exactly what you want. I think I still might pay them a visit when I am in San Diego at the end of the Month, andm ayeb they will let me take some photos and I can post them up here...
so, in terms of good looking wheels, it looks like HRE are the ones most suited to my taste - shame I will need a King's ransom to buy a set but I suppose the will give you pretty much exactly what you want. I think I still might pay them a visit when I am in San Diego at the end of the Month, and maybe they will let me take some photos and I can post them up here...
They aren't available anymore Al - they were made by SSR wheels who went bust in Feb.
Gaz.
:swear:
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!
Is there no way i can get them? (not even from japan/US)
:swear:
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!
Is there no way i can get them? (not even from japan/US)
No, they are $60M in debt and everything was seized from the best of my knowledge.
Dusty
Al, you can run 9.5-10" on a stock car! Deffo 10"+ but the car will tramline.
can someone explane the concept of tramlining to me, is it going to effect handling alot and will it be dependent on conditions etc. (because i only intend on taking the car out in the dry), had more than my fill of wet supra driving!
dusty, any chance on a quote on 2x18" 10" width and 2x18" 12" width chrome veilside evolutions?
Will they fit my TRD WB supe? (See dudes current thread)
And will i be better with 9" width on the front do you think, or 10"???
If you have a TRD Widebody you should have Veilside Evo V in 18x10 and 18x12. They don't cost that much more than the 18x9 and 18x10. They fill up your underneath and allow a nice tire.
18x9 and 18x10 in Chrome will cost you $3852
18x10 and 18x12 in Chrome will cost you $4068
Shipping would be about $400, probably a little more, but less than $500.
Kind regards,
Dusty
If you have a TRD Widebody you should have Veilside Evo V in 18x10 and 18x12. They don't cost that much more than the 18x9 and 18x10. They fill up your underneath and allow a nice tire.
18x9 and 18x10 in Chrome will cost you $3852
18x10 and 18x12 in Chrome will cost you $4068
Shipping would be about $400, probably a little more, but less than $500.
Kind regards,
Dusty
sounds good, but what about tramlining? would it be a problem with 10" fronts???
and looking at the nemesis website the 18" veilside evo 5's come in all sorts of offsets, any idea which would be best???
Dude?? Terry??? ...Anyone??? :(
I can guess them mate, but Dusty will be spot on.
With the tramlining, the wider the tyre, the more the car will follow the contour of the road.
If you get stuck feel free to PM me mate
sounds good, but what about tramlining? would it be a problem with 10" fronts???
and looking at the nemesis website the 18" veilside evo 5's come in all sorts of offsets, any idea which would be best???
Dude?? Terry??? ...Anyone??? :(
Tramlining is pretty bad with mine, and Im 9" at the front on 245's.
terrys put my mind to rest on the tramlining, (thanks mate)
Dusty, are the prices above including import tax etc?
If they are count me in, how do you want to arrange payment etc? (PM me if you like)
Can i trust you to get the best offsets etc to fit my TRD WB supe, (i wouldnt have a clue)
Also i'll need rubber, i was thinking pirelli rosso's 345 rear (as long as they'll fit) and whatevers best to fit the fronts...
We need to get it all sorted quick though if deliverys gonna take 2-3 months, i was hoping to have the car ready for june!!!
Please contact me privately regarding the import tax. dusty@mvpmotorsports.com
Regards,
Dusty
Dusty??? Are you getting my Emails, I've tried to get in touch a few times this week, can you not get the wheels?
Dusty??? Are you getting my Emails, I've tried to get in touch a few times this week, can you not get the wheels?
I've answered your email twice, once last night and once early this week...do you have an alternate email I can CC to?
Kind regards,
Dusty
I just replied to another one of your emails...I hope you get this one as you don't seem to be getting any of the others!
Regards,
Dusty
RE: The original post....
BEAUTIFUL Matt!!
Thanks for posting! Nice sticker too. :)
Dusty
BEAUTIFUL Matt!!
Thanks for posting! Nice sticker too. :)
Dusty
Wow, I love those wheels on that car and a very rare photo by all accounts as they seem to be a very underused and underappreciated wheel for the supra..... so nice looking makes me want them even more, but I have to sort the house out first!
One thing, is it just the rears that would need rolling wiht 9.5 front and 10.5 rear, or both arches?
cheers
James
Tramlining is pretty bad with mine, and Im 9" at the front on 245's.
so if I put 9.5" on the front will I be following the truck grooves then???
ah, it must be our dodgy email filter at work,
try this email address dusty!
rainbowdragon68@hotmail.com
You may or may not have to roll the arches on the front. Depends on what tire you want to fit. The 9.5 on a smaller tire fits without rolling. But if you want to fit the max tire you will need to roll.
Thanks,
Dusty
ah, it must be our dodgy email filter at work,
try this email address dusty!
rainbowdragon68@hotmail.com
Sent to that one sir.
Regards,
Dusty
I have just been to HRE in Vista, California, for a chat and a look at their wheels. They look fantastic, so I think they are the wheels of choice. They also give 10% off their list price....
I have just been to HRE in Vista, California, for a chat and a look at their wheels. They look fantastic, so I think they are the wheels of choice. They also give 10% off their list price....
And MVP gives 13% off their list price. :) Which on a $5,000 or even $7,000 set of wheels that extra 3% is a lot!
Regards,
Dusty
And MVP gives 13% off their list price. :) Which on a $5,000 or even $7,000 set of wheels that extra 3% is a lot!
Regards,
Dusty
Thats a bonus with that discount then as there are a couple of other bits I wanted to get off you anyway Dusty... I guess I will just have to get on a flight to DFW to come see you too...
James
Let me know when you're arriving, we'll have you picked up at the airport (in a Supra of course, so don't pack too heavy!!) :)
Regards,
Dusty
Dusty, hold your horses.. I have to buy a house and let the dust settle first!!! Rest assured though I will be in touch when the time comes...
Totally up to you, I'm on your schedule!
Dusty
thats right... the customer is the boss! ;-)
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