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mellonman
21-01-19, 18:36
Just dawned on me that I think I would have preferred it if they would have started just remaking the MKIV with modern tech IE bb Sequential turbos, new ecu, new traction control, better weight distribution, touch screen. probably everything that's in the MKV just in the MKIV instead of making the MKV.

I expect a lot of retro cars reproduced would sell like hot cakes with all the mod cons, remember as a kid that car you loved but couldnt afford now 15-20 years latter you have the money but the cars are rust buckets.

whats everyones thoughts ?

Gaz6002
21-01-19, 18:41
I'd like to see a Mk4 with Lexus LC500h hybrid power. But I'd prefer it with the V8, which sort of defeats the object as I'd be just as happy with the 2JZ.

nolizma
21-01-19, 18:48
There is lots of new legislation/safety requirements old cars don't meet unfortunately.

mellonman
21-01-19, 18:51
There is lots of new legislation/safety requirements old cars don't meet unfortunately.

Would it be hard to get the MKIV through the REGS with all the mod cons ?

Simon_RD
21-01-19, 21:00
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el_bandido
21-01-19, 21:00
Yes. The whole car would end up being different because of the crash safety regs, the 2j would never get through emissions.

mellonman
21-01-19, 22:07
how do caterum 7 do it they surely cant meet the crash test regs and such, surely Toyota could do a kit like the 7 most of us have had our supras in bits and can handle a spanner or have the gazoo brand it or have a company build the kit for you like SRD, whifbitz , plus you could start with your spec list ie big single , TT, N/A.

im not just saying the mkiv but every iconic 80's 90's cars , rs escort , rs seira , mk1 mexico , RX7 , GTR's , reault 5 , cleo v6 , z3 m coupe , F40, vw camper mk1, beatle ect,ect

what do these companies do with their mods and casting equipment after they have been finished with ? the plan or data sheet must be on record so you could make a new mold and start production im not saying replica im saying a actual reproduction with original parts backed by the original manufacturer.

I know its a pipe dream but I seriously think there is a market for it, saying that though 60k for a MKIV when new is pretty steep and that's when it was mass produced say I could do it for 100k I don't think I would sell many :cry: I thought it was a good idea to until the maths kicked in :angry:

el_bandido
21-01-19, 22:17
Caterham probably don't meet the volume requirements to be subject to the same rules as a mass manufacturer. It would be different for Toyota, they would have to release the MKIV rehash under a different company.

mellonman
21-01-19, 22:30
Caterham probably don't meet the volume requirements to be subject to the same rules as a mass manufacturer. It would be different for Toyota, they would have to release the MKIV rehash under a different company.

Gazoo . Mr T if you are watching it's just a thought
Ooowh they should the gt2000

drift_bear
21-01-19, 22:55
Top secret took an R32 GTR and put in the engine, transmission and full interior from an R35 GTR. It’s a work of art but took them ages iirc, was built for the auto salon the other week

nolizma
21-01-19, 23:04
Its hugely expensive. especially if you want to reproduce the same way they did it originally. Welding robots, production line, hugely expensive tools to make a single part. Imagine that to just design and build one tool (mould) that would run on an injection moulding press to produce lets say an interior plastic piece, it costs millions. This does not include the cost of the press or running the damn thing.
Granted the design is already there but it doesn't make any sense financially. Never mind emission regulations, crash safety regulations, pedestrian safety regulations.. the list goes on.

My prediction is that in the future, the 3D printing technology will advance so much that people will be able to print brand new cars of the past at home. By that time though the supra will probably be the equivalent of a horse carriage now.

Pete
21-01-19, 23:12
how do caterum 7

Both Caterham and Westfield use EC SSTA (European Small Scale Type Approval)
The production limit for both cars and light vans / light trucks is 1000 per type each year in the whole of the EU.

Simon_RD
21-01-19, 23:18
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muckyman
22-01-19, 13:40
A Singer Supra would be very interesting......

Scooter
22-01-19, 13:44
Top secret took an R32 GTR and put in the engine, transmission and full interior from an R35 GTR. Itís a work of art but took them ages iirc, was built for the auto salon the other week

At least in the end the new engine was a worthy upgrade :taped:

James
22-01-19, 22:22
Top secret took an R32 GTR and put in the engine, transmission and full interior from an R35 GTR. It’s a work of art but took them ages iirc, was built for the auto salon the other week

That was at the last TAS (won best car) - not just this one :)

el_bandido
23-01-19, 02:28
I always thought a V12 turbo that could run on one bank when pootling about would be cool for a Supra. Coupled with an 8 speed that would probably be quite a versatile car.

Gaz6002
23-01-19, 13:16
I always thought a V12 turbo that could run on one bank when pootling about would be cool for a Supra. Coupled with an 8 speed that would probably be quite a versatile car.

Interesting thought, but a nightmare to engineer. You'd need to factor in the ability to shut down both banks so you don't get uneven wear, and a management system to switch between them. The R8's V10, for example, only does this in the higher gears - presumably because it would require far more precision at lower speeds in order to work seamlessly. If Audi can't do it...

el_bandido
23-01-19, 14:40
The Toyota V12 shuts down one bank on the standard ECU. That's what got me thinking about it.

Gaz6002
23-01-19, 14:49
The Toyota V12 shuts down one bank on the standard ECU. That's what got me thinking about it.

Just one bank, or can it shut both down? I didn't know that.

el_bandido
23-01-19, 14:53
It's capable of shutting down either if it detects an error, it's got two ECUs from the factory.

Jellybean
23-01-19, 15:14
I'd be happy if they just started a heritage program like Nissan , so we have access to parts

Mazda do a nice Factory restore on the Mx5
https://www.roadandtrack.com/car-culture/classic-cars/a23487935/first-factory-restored-mazda-mx-5-miata/

Gaz6002
23-01-19, 16:26
It's capable of shutting down either if it detects an error, it's got two ECUs from the factory.

Ace. Must do some reading up on that motor. Cheers.

mellonman
23-01-19, 20:00
I'd be happy if they just started a heritage program like Nissan , so we have access to parts

Mazda do a nice Factory restore on the Mx5
https://www.roadandtrack.com/car-culture/classic-cars/a23487935/first-factory-restored-mazda-mx-5-miata/

So companies must still keep their old equipment to do things like this. Good to see.