NA-T Prices?

Is anybody familiar with this car?

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Toyota-Supra-MK4-Widebody-F1BOMB-2/283116667493?hash=item41eb118265:g:H~UAAOSw~91be~pK

I see a lot of people talking about NA-T hurting the resale value, yet a few NA-TT and NA-T conversions have come-and-gone recently at what appears to be strong prices. In some cases the converted Supras seem to be commanding near the exact value of the car+conversion, surely this removes any resale concerns for people considering converting?

There's another NA-T example here https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1995-Toyota-supra-NA-T-PRICE-REDUCED/202404207552?hash=item2f203b1bc0:g:IkIAAOSwNxlbdISZ (with some bodywork damage and a few niggles) for 1/3 of the price, but frankly I think this is slightly undervalued. Even at £10,000 though it hardly puts off potential converters for fear of losing resale!

I personally have a sneaking suspicion that the "OEM Clean Collectable" resale values only really applies to factory TT's, as realistically any buyer for this market would have no interest in NA's. There might be a market for clean NA's, but I really think the appeal of a £12,000 400bhp 5-speed Supra is independent of this, appealing to a completely different buyer.

What are your reckons on resale values on converted Supras?

Loads of info about the car here - http://www.mkivsupra.net/vbb/showthread.php?317999-Project-Super-widebody-BOMB-2

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That car is over priced in my opinion, looks like the seller let his heart rule his head if the purchase price is to be believed.

Loving the 'I paid £X so that's what it must be worth' thing.

Wouldn't say that's a particularly strong long-term investment. It's making hardly any power, still has the NA engine, and you could build something close for the asking price... IMHO.

Loads of info about the car here - http://www.mkivsupra.net/vbb/showthread.php?317999-Project-Super-widebody-BOMB-2

 

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That car is over priced in my opinion, looks like the seller let his heart rule his head if the purchase price is to be believed.

Ah thanks! Looks like a fantastic build and credit to the owner!

As always something is worth whatever they are happy to pay.

I personally think its over priced. I would buy the one at 10k as it gives you 20k to personalise it if that is your aim.

The stock cars are more sought after and valuable atm. but as people previously stated look at mk1 escorts whether they are modified or not people really don't mind also the period modifications on these older classics are sought after too so you never know!

Ah thanks! Looks like a fantastic build and credit to the owner!

If you liked that, see his first attempt here - http://www.mkivsupra.net/vbb/showthread.php?241651-My-Super-Widebody-Aero-VVTi-Turbo-6sp-project

As always something is worth whatever they are happy to pay.

I personally think its over priced. I would buy the one at 10k as it gives you 20k to personalise it if that is your aim.

The stock cars are more sought after and valuable atm. but as people previously stated look at mk1 escorts whether they are modified or not people really don't mind also the period modifications on these older classics are sought after too so you never know!

Do you think that BPU will be held in the same light as period modifications to mk1 escorts ? BPU is very much the norm in my opinion for a supra and as long as its done well then will if ultimately effect the price of the car ?

There is someone out there for every type of Supra but it is what the vast majority seek that command a premium.

Taking the US as an example. A stock Supra commands big money as the majority of US Supra owners want a solid base to work from when building a big power car. I have read about stock cars get sold and singled in under a month!

They seem reluctant to buy an already built car and prefer to build their own. Buying an already built car will save you money if it’s exactly what you want but more than likely it will be a compromise.

If as I suspect you are weighting up options whether to go for it then you have a lot to consider.

Very clean NA's are fetching good money in the states, the asking prices here have gone up but as you say not sure on the demand at these prices.

If you are after more power then you need to consider how much, if you go past the W58 power/torque threshold then the budget goes into the unknown territory really. If you keep below this then I think it's both a good hike in power and should be a fixed budget and should be reliable/low maintenance going forward. I also think the vast majority of the spend will be retained in the post conversion value, especially considering if you bought the NA some time ago you will already have (on paper) made some money (using man maths you can spend this for free/at least guilt free!).

Other options are TT auto's, losing the manual and spending perhaps £6-8K to get there doesn't sound that appealing even to me as an auto TT owner! As the prices have grown recently the gaps between least and most desirable specs have increased, meaning an NA-T makes more sense/is more cost effective. Switching to a TT6 makes more sense if the power goal is high but it's getting crazy expensive now.

There is a facelift TT engine W58 car for sale at the moment for around £16K, your NA should get £8K reasonably easily? so £8K in done and dusted, vs you deciding on a NA-T, so turbo kit, ecu, tuning, clutch, labour (potentially high given the drilling of the sump, intercooler work, mapping transport to/from specialist etc.). Plus sides you know your current car, there is a risk the other one needs work on top, it uses a NA block/head which are a lot more available in the worse case scenario of a blown engine. Down sides, you'll be without a Supra for 'x' time, the costs can run on, you can get too power hungry, the W58 dies and now all manual boxes are expensive, it's more expense (even over time towards a manual TT if you had really bad luck)

Do you think that BPU will be held in the same light as period modifications to mk1 escorts ? BPU is very much the norm in my opinion for a supra and as long as its done well then will if ultimately effect the price of the car ?

The key to it is easily reversible mods.

I'd say comparably, NA-T's are still priced well below singles. If you had 2 identically built cars with one being an NA-T (still with the NA engine) and a singled TT6 where the only difference was the VIN, I reckon you'd still see about a £6-8k price difference.

Wow the Bomb 2 is lovely but commanding £30k for a nice looking NA-T, making stock TT power and running the poor man's 5spd W58 is sheer madness.

I think he paid around 20k for this in NA form. Just on the kit... So thats why he's wanting the high money back.

I think he paid around 20k for this in NA form. Just on the kit... So thats why he's wanting the high money back.

It won’t take long to realise that want/get are two very different things.

Not sure i'd want such an individual kit to be honest

Are there spare panels available ?

I did think this after i'd done my TRD conversion, if you had a miss hap how do you fix it ?

The whole kit from Speedwells is just under 3K.

The whole kit from Speedwells is just under 3K.

Can you buy just a part of it ?

I couldn't for my TRD, they'd only sell the whole kit

I’m sure Ibrar would supply a single panel etc of damaged, it would be expensive mind.

It is a lovely car but insane money.

Im glad to see the response on this, I've put my n/a auto aerotop up at 10,700 and my much more involved na-t 5 speed up at 13,700, both process with movement obviously but good to see people agreeing they are now up in that kind of bracket

The F-Bomb NA-T has just recently been sold. Not sure how much for of course, but if it's gone this quickly then I'd imagine it will have still been for good money

The F-Bomb NA-T has just recently been sold. Not sure how much for of course, but if it's gone this quickly then I'd imagine it will have still been for good money

Yes it sold really quick. There will be another gloss grey example coming up soon. The kits are sold by VAD design now