Supra-love Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 Came across this just now. Straight 6 Bmw engine. In translation to the mag- B58T is the engine code according to the magazine + 8 speed "AT" then its also talk about apart from 8 speed there is possibility of BMW M series 7 speed DCT "Dual Clutch" like what they use in the M5 Getrag Variance Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
and1c Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 Oh yes.. I like that! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supra-love Posted January 23, 2018 Author Share Posted January 23, 2018 Oh yes.. I like that! 400ps manufactured power which I think is very low, considering it’s rivals Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
samdale Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 400ps manufactured power which I think is very low, considering it’s rivals What do you consider to be it's rivals? And don't say the GTR... I think I'd put it somewhere near this lot: 370z - 328ps 911 Carrera 4/4S - 370/420 F-type s - 340/380 400ps seems about right Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supra-love Posted January 23, 2018 Author Share Posted January 23, 2018 What do you consider to be it's rivals? And don't say the GTR... I think I'd put it somewhere near this lot: 370z - 328ps 911 Carrera 4/4S - 370/420 F-type s - 340/380 400ps seems about right Was thinking more about the nsx mate Also With no Toyota engine it’ll be no new Supra for us current owners, same goes to GT86/BRZ. B58 BMW 3L engine isn't gonna do it for current 2JZ/SUPRA owner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rider Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 If I wanted a BMW M3 engine, I'd buy a BMW M3 to go with it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaz6002 Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 *sigh* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spunkmeyer Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 I like it. More for keeping some resemblance to the concept. Don't mind the engine (though I appreciate the point from the purists) - hope there will be tuner parts for it which I'm sure there will be but don't know what's available in BMW world Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
samdale Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 Was thinking more about the nsx mate Also With no Toyota engine it’ll be no new Supra for us current owners, same goes to GT86/BRZ. B58 BMW 3L engine isn't gonna do it for current 2JZ/SUPRA owner Oh I agree the lack of "3JZ" is a bit of a copy out. Would be nice to see a bit more supra in there. It'll never be an NSX rival though surely? I was expecting pricing much more in line with those I posted and not £120k+!! Remember it's a "Z5" not an i8. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
el_bandido Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 No. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scooter Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 Bit 370z ish? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mellonman Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 Looks good to me .I like the lexus rear light setup they have now rather than that but we will see when it actually comes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamieP Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 Back looks nice, front looks a bit honda prelude. decent engine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evinX Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 I honestly thought the new supra would be going against a beast like the GTR. But that thing. Looks like it could be the new mr2 or celica. Not a Supra. The new Supra should be broad. Big. And wide. Anyway mk4 FTW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamieP Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 RWD is not going to compete with a GTR in any way, I think they are doing it right, keep it simple fun car, stay straight 6 and turbo rwd in a modern package. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chazuk Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 (edited) I like that but think it needs a spoiler, 400hp stock is not bad wait for people to start tuning them bpu/bpu+ mod's be knocking on for 480-500, and isn't the Toyota version getting hybrid/kers system so there's no turbo lag and 50/50 weight. Interesting bits in evo last week about it quoting the president of the new Toyota gazoo brand he has a mkiv 600hp:) “The Supra has a strong following and the new car must appeal to these owners,” said Shigeki Tomoyama, President of Gazoo Racing. “The last Supra had a straight-six engine, was twin-turbocharged and rear-wheel drive and the new car must continue this philosophy.” Tomoyama, who owns a 600bhp carbonfibre bodied 1997 Supra, refused to confirm how much the new Supra might weigh when it was suggested it should come in at under 1500kg. Instead he pointed out that his Supra, when new, weighed 1200kg and did confirm that the new Supra would have a 50/50 weight distribution. Talking about how the Supra would differ from its BMW Z4 sister car, Tomoyama said “BMW’s car is a roadster, ours is a coupe. We have worked with BMW’s engineers on the development of the basic car and on shared components, but when it comes to how both cars drive they will be very different. They have very different philosophies and the Supra will be a performance car first.” This is claim substantiated by the cars Tomoyama and his team have benchmarked the new Supra against: the BMW M3/M4 and the Porsche 911. Tomoyama was coy in regards to potential powertrain options that will be offered in the new Supra, but confirmed hybrid power could feature – drawing on the technology employed in Toyota’s LMP1 programme – if it offers a distinct performance benefit. “BMW’s car is a roadster, ours is a coupe. We have worked with BMW’s engineers on the development of the basic car and on shared components, but when it comes to how both cars drive they will be very different. They have very different philosophies and the Supra will be a performance car first.” The challenge is to maximise the performance – speed and power – from batteries and electric motors as these both add weight. For a sports car we will look at smaller batteries that are charged with the very best regeneration braking system; a system that we have been developing in the World Endurance Championship,” continued the Gazoo Racing President. Tomoyama also confirmed Toyota will compete in the World Endurance Championship in 2018, as the only remaining factory works team, and has no plans to enter Formula E. Edited January 23, 2018 by chazuk (see edit history) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j_jza80 Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 The mk4 Supra was designed to be better than the z32, not the r32/r33. Supras have always competed with the Fairlady line, not the Skyline GTR. But the price will (should) reflect that. What few Skyline GTRs we got here were always significantly more expensive than the uk spec mk4. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
samdale Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 But the price will (should) reflect that. What few Skyline GTRs we got here were always significantly more expensive than the uk spec mk4. IMO they need to compete with Jaguars F-type line up, but with Toyota pricing. Say £45k base model and 60odd for the balls out hybrid. Much more and there will be a huge step between GT86 and Supra Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank Bullitt Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 *sigh* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JasonR24 Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 I’m looking forward to seeing what this actually looks like. Too much speculation on this now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supraleeturbo Posted January 24, 2018 Share Posted January 24, 2018 It’s ok looking and someone will pull that engine out and 2jz it anyways Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamieP Posted January 24, 2018 Share Posted January 24, 2018 It’s ok looking and someone will pull that engine out and 2jz it anyways Total waste of time if it has the new M3 engine, thats a brilliant lump. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JasonR24 Posted January 24, 2018 Share Posted January 24, 2018 Total waste of time if it has the new M3 engine, thats a brilliant lump. What’s the point in a new supra if it has a BMW engine. May as well not bother Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jim_supra Posted January 24, 2018 Share Posted January 24, 2018 What’s the point in a new supra if it has a BMW engine. May as well not bother If it's good enough for Rolls Royce then it's good enough for Toyota! I understand that from a purist point of view a Toyota engine should be in a Toyota car, but from a cost perspective and the likely sales volume that Toyota must be envisaging, it won't be worth developing a new engine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JasonR24 Posted January 24, 2018 Share Posted January 24, 2018 If it's good enough for Rolls Royce then it's good enough for Toyota! I understand that from a purist point of view a Toyota engine should be in a Toyota car, but from a cost perspective and the likely sales volume that Toyota must be envisaging, it won't be worth developing a new engine. Fair point, I guess you’re right, it’s just a massive disappointment for me personally. I’d probably still get one if it was good though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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