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Urky_89
07-08-15, 21:45
Hi guys, after much thought (and permission from the other half ) I have decided this will be the year I get a supra. Had my heart set on a manual but realistically it would stretch my budget to much so I'm thinking auto. Has anyone else been in this situation and has the auto been better than u thought it would be and kept you happy? I'm sure I would be over the moon with an auto all supras are beasts lol just wondered if anyone on here has been there and done it?

safcdixon
07-08-15, 21:59
Auto twinturbo is top notch imo (i have no experience of the na Auto), they are haters of the auto and always will be but my honest assessment over the last 5yrs is that its couldnt be better, how anyone with a 6speed has more fun than i do in my auto i dont know. Thing is if you buy an auto and dont like it as much as you would like do a transmission conversion its not a massive job to do

Glws for a Supra and welcome to the club

Urky_89
07-08-15, 22:28
cheers man, yeh it would be a TT. Been looking at more info n stuff this evening and think an auto is the way to go. Just want it on my driveway now haha looking forward to joing the supra crew:)

MATT RR
07-08-15, 22:41
Ive had both and would recomend either, both are awesome, try and get a drive in them first if you are able or even just a ride :) I went for a manual this time round as its not a daily driver, if it was a daily I probably would go for an auto

Duey
07-08-15, 23:03
I am in the same boat, part of me feels it would only be proper to go for a manual but I would have to sell both kidneys to afford one. :)

From what I gather the auto gearbox is pretty good, not like the scrap in I have driven.

Good luck anyway mate and welcome

Swampy442
07-08-15, 23:11
People always do this, get caught up in the stigma against autos. A lot of people, once they drive an auto, really like it. Id definitely say drive an auto, the whole 'not involved in the driving experience' it utter rubbish ;)

Plus, the 6 speed box is a shocker, first time I drove one I thought it was broken, apparently thats how they all are lol

Urky_89
07-08-15, 23:21
It is tricky to get out of the mindset of auto=boring even though I know it's utter crap lol it isn't going to be a daily but I'm thinking I would rather get a cleaner auto than a manual that's goin to be more tatty on my budget. I think that if it ever comes too it and I'm not happy I can always switch to a manual at a later date but I have a feeling I'm really not goin to be disappointed. Hopefully guna try n test drive one soon, I know once I've done that I'm guna have to get one haha

Abz
07-08-15, 23:32
Auto twinturbo is top notch imo (i have no experience of the na Auto), they are haters of the auto and always will be but my honest assessment over the last 5yrs is that its couldnt be better, how anyone with a 6speed has more fun than i do in my auto i dont know. Thing is if you buy an auto and dont like it as much as you would like do a transmission conversion its not a massive job to do

Glws for a Supra and welcome to the club

You clearly haven't been sideways :D

They both have pro's and con's, I have owned both and they are as good as each other. Loads of threads on this very subject.

TheTurtleshead
08-08-15, 00:56
Save up a bit more, buy the more engaging manual. You'll just regret it down the line if you don't, then have the heart ache of trying to find a conversion, and it ultimately costing you more in the end...! :)

Vicky
08-08-15, 02:45
My first supra was a manual and my current supra an auto, they both are equally as fun!

Rajinder
08-08-15, 07:15
People always do this, get caught up in the stigma against autos. A lot of people, once they drive an auto, really like it. Id definitely say drive an auto, the whole 'not involved in the driving experience' it utter rubbish ;)

Plus, the 6 speed box is a shocker, first time I drove one I thought it was broken, apparently thats how they all are lol

True words. I hate manual.

Hitbox Junkie
08-08-15, 07:20
I'd your going to go for power then manual it will.be cheaper in the long run and they may hold there value more than the auto but then again supras seem to.be getting rare on both transmissions and TT or NA form.

The only reason I have a manual in my car is because I got lucky that it had already been converted when I bought it (it's and aero top only come in auto in the uk)

Personally I'd go manual if you have the budget if it is a weekend car. But try the auto as they can handle 400bhp no problem with a few coolers and tweaks.

Costs you proberbly know already but a decent auto your looking at 8-9k
Manual 14+k

Manual conversion kits are around 3half to 5k 2nd hand.

mellonman
08-08-15, 07:35
I didnt like the manual when I drove one think im used to the easy lift with a auto

Supra.SZ-R
08-08-15, 08:03
Iv drove my first sets of autos here in Switzerland, both new and old, and it didnt matter how much of a sports car they where it still just didnt excite me having my gears changed for me, even retardedly at times, and you see your up too high of a gear for a hill or something, but its just waiting for a gamy downshift when its to late!
I went for a 6 speed first, it wasnt even TT, just a six speed! And for me it was the best manual box i have ever felt, its so heavy, i dont know like a tractor, but when you needed to move fast (for an NA) the whole box just lightened up, gears are silky smooth, so fast!
I could never not have that experience!
Having said that i have never drove an auto Supra!
Unfortunatly for the Autos i personaly have judged them as i judge all autos!
Try both before you buy is all i can say
Good luck with the search!

mellonman
08-08-15, 08:12
A auto supra is just so different to even a new ford focus gearbox with gear selection , any other auto I have driven are rubish (not driven a highend auto)
But I will say when tracking a car manual is alot better,

Scooter
08-08-15, 08:58
I've had, 2 manual tt's, a 6 speed na and 3 auto tt's

in my experience to add to the above

if the manual feels clunky then the flywheel or gearshift linkage is well worn, they are not silky smooth but then the talk of being tractor like is well overstated.

The auto is absolutely not like a dull regular car forever shifting/hunting for gears. it only has 4 gears and the torque is such that downshifts on hills aren't needed. In normal driving it's out of 1 and 2 very quickly but the shifts are so smooth driving normally you'll barely feel them. like all auto's it'll shift into top 4th when it can, but will drop down to third with the right speed and throttle inputs which again I've never found to be frustrating or having a mind of its own. You also have an overdrive button which is effectively a 3/4 shifter, which is great for the motorway, as someone pulls in you can drop to third at the press of this button and then press it again once past to shift back to fourth and continue cruising.

Really stomping the pedal at sub 50mph will see a harsher kick down to second (no harsher than a dramatic manual downshift) I prefer to select 2 with the stick so the car is settled for what I'm going to ask of it.

The auto is useless for drifty t junction getaways, a sneaky doughnut basically anything requiring on demand wheel spin, it's designed not to lose traction from a stand still which it does very well hence the generally quicker 1/4 mile times than manuals.

I've talked a lot more about the auto as well there is more to get across, a manual in my volvo is also identical to the manual in a supra operation wise, but all auto's are not equal, I've driven some very dull and annoying auto's but the Supra's box isn't one of them and for it's time is a very good usable and tough box.

Dnk
08-08-15, 09:06
Drifting in an auto is harder but can still be done :) No issues doing doughnuts though :)

Supra.SZ-R
08-08-15, 09:46
I've had, 2 manual tt's, a 6 speed na and 3 auto tt's

in my experience to add to the above

if the manual feels clunky then the flywheel or gearshift linkage is well worn, they are not silky smooth but then the talk of being tractor like is well overstated.

The auto is absolutely not like a dull regular car forever shifting/hunting for gears. it only has 4 gears and the torque is such that downshifts on hills aren't needed. In normal driving it's out of 1 and 2 very quickly but the shifts are so smooth driving normally you'll barely feel them. like all auto's it'll shift into top 4th when it can, but will drop down to third with the right speed and throttle inputs which again I've never found to be frustrating or having a mind of its own. You also have an overdrive button which is effectively a 3/4 shifter, which is great for the motorway, as someone pulls in you can drop to third at the press of this button and then press it again once past to shift back to fourth and continue cruising.

Really stomping the pedal at sub 50mph will see a harsher kick down to second (no harsher than a dramatic manual downshift) I prefer to select 2 with the stick so the car is settled for what I'm going to ask of it.

The auto is useless for drifty t junction getaways, a sneaky doughnut basically anything requiring on demand wheel spin, it's designed not to lose traction from a stand still which it does very well hence the generally quicker 1/4 mile times than manuals.

I've talked a lot more about the auto as well there is more to get across, a manual in my volvo is also identical to the manual in a supra operation wise, but all auto's are not equal, I've driven some very dull and annoying auto's but the Supra's box isn't one of them and for it's time is a very good usable and tough box.

Well thats me schooled anyway!
Probably just my old banged up SZ-R
Maybe the shift linkages were woren :/

SPG
08-08-15, 10:51
I really enjoyed owning my Auto-TT, it was a very nice cruiser and could take the twistys just fine.

I really enjoy driving my Manual TT, it's a lot of fun on the twisty stuff, and can handle some serious amount of power, should I feel that I'm too accustomed to the power at present.

I have never found my Getrag agricultural, on my current car or my NA6.

In the future, I guess the manuals will be the cars that command a premium.

Mason
08-08-15, 10:57
When I was offered an auto Supra right away I thought nah autos are for women, puffed my chest out looked at Skylines and then remembered the trouble I've had with Nissans so went for the Supra Auto, and I couldn't have been more wrong...the auto in the Supras are superb! Actually really nice to drive so whenever someone has doubts about them I'll jump in always and say do not be put off by autos like I was, because I was proven wrong 100%

Urky_89
08-08-15, 11:17
Cheers for all the replies guys, I think I'm just guna have to drive both n see which I prefer. My bro has a 32 gtr which I drive regularly n the gearbox in that is pretty heavy which I do like n sounds like the supra boxes are similar. Just have to see which one puts the biggest smile on my face :) I spoke to torque gt and they said they would be happy with me trying both if they have them and maybe go down the import route.

G9RGE
08-08-15, 11:37
I have had a UK Auto and loved it and i then bought an NA manual and also loved it. I think in twin turbo form Auto and manual both have pros and cons, as a daily Auto is lovely and the manual override holds the gears so you can still have fun. I wouldnt buy an Auto NA i just don't think it will have the power to make the Auto fun. I have now fitted a 1JZ and an LSD so I have a manual twin turbo (I know its missing a gear and a few cc lol )for the price of an Auto TT but it makes me smile and wonder why I ever left the supra scene every time i drive it :-)

safcdixon
08-08-15, 17:08
You clearly haven't been sideways :D

They both have pro's and con's, I have owned both and they are as good as each other. Loads of threads on this very subject.


Its easy to go sideways in the auto when you know how Abz :) im suprised you know you to slide a car tbh, seeing as you struggle to set off in a straight line ;)

Abz
08-08-15, 22:13
Its easy to go sideways in the auto when you know how Abz :) im suprised you know you to slide a car tbh, seeing as you struggle to set off in a straight line ;)

Straight is hard, sideways is easy :d

charlton
08-08-15, 22:33
I've had, 2 manual tt's, a 6 speed na and 3 auto tt's

in my experience to add to the above

if the manual feels clunky then the flywheel or gearshift linkage is well worn, they are not silky smooth but then the talk of being tractor like is well overstated.

The auto is absolutely not like a dull regular car forever shifting/hunting for gears. it only has 4 gears and the torque is such that downshifts on hills aren't needed. In normal driving it's out of 1 and 2 very quickly but the shifts are so smooth driving normally you'll barely feel them. like all auto's it'll shift into top 4th when it can, but will drop down to third with the right speed and throttle inputs which again I've never found to be frustrating or having a mind of its own. You also have an overdrive button which is effectively a 3/4 shifter, which is great for the motorway, as someone pulls in you can drop to third at the press of this button and then press it again once past to shift back to fourth and continue cruising.

Really stomping the pedal at sub 50mph will see a harsher kick down to second (no harsher than a dramatic manual downshift) I prefer to select 2 with the stick so the car is settled for what I'm going to ask of it.

The auto is useless for drifty t junction getaways, a sneaky doughnut basically anything requiring on demand wheel spin, it's designed not to lose traction from a stand still which it does very well hence the generally quicker 1/4 mile times than manuals.

I've talked a lot more about the auto as well there is more to get across, a manual in my volvo is also identical to the manual in a supra operation wise, but all auto's are not equal, I've driven some very dull and annoying auto's but the Supra's box isn't one of them and for it's time is a very good usable and tough box.

Good post, I had an NA 5 speed which I miss greatly, it was a lovely box to use daily. I have an auto now which is great and the best auto I've used bar far. But, I do prefer a manual as you feel more involved, so I hope to be 6 speed some day

CorruptSapphire
08-08-15, 22:46
Hi guys, after much thought (and permission from the other half ) I have decided this will be the year I get a supra. Had my heart set on a manual but realistically it would stretch my budget to much so I'm thinking auto. Has anyone else been in this situation and has the auto been better than u thought it would be and kept you happy? I'm sure I would be over the moon with an auto all supras are beasts lol just wondered if anyone on here has been there and done it?


Hey bud. I was in your same position. I have now owned my auto n/a for about a month and I am not disappointed. Like it has been said there will always be pros and cons to both sides.

You certainly aren't disconnected from the car because you cant change gear. You do have a lot of involvement in what the box can do in regards to overdrive and the manual mode.

Having driven modern autos the A340E stands well above them the kick down really is responsive. But everyone has a preference but certainly give the auto a test drive I don't think you will be disappointed

Alex_GT
09-08-15, 00:16
What is the difference between the manual mode and cars that have the tiptronic system? Descriptions I've seen make them seem identical?

Is the manual mode the same and the term 'tiptronic' is applied to the facelift cars? :conf:

CorruptSapphire
09-08-15, 01:13
The tiptronic was only available on the facelift vvti.

The difference as I believe it to be is that the tiptronic has a second gate that you can shift into that allows you to shift up and down (also has buttons on the steering wheel) so more of a manual feeling.

Where as the manual mode only lets the gearbox to stay in 1st with L selected , 1st and 2nd with 2 selected and 1st , 2nd and 3rd with D selected. (I might be wrong as I am recalling from memory) but is still controlled by the auto ecu where as the tiptronic in M allows the driver to shift.

Sure someone more knowledgeable of the tiptronic will be able to confirm.

formatzero
09-08-15, 10:34
If your getting a TT auto,s a lot cheaper ,however they are not exactly plentiful,so don't rush it and get the right one for you.

Andysdr
10-08-15, 13:04
For what it's worth, here's my opinion! I've just bought a TT auto at the beginning of the year. The reason I bought it is my friend wanted to sell and I've always said give me first refusal. I think the big question over manual or auto depends on your plans, whether you want a huge power project or a weekend cruiser. The latter is what i personally want from it and would be over the moon with around 500bhp. I've been told (someone might correct me) that an auto with standard engine internals is good for upto 700bhp. I also prefer driving an auto : )
Andy

Abz
10-08-15, 13:31
For what it's worth, here's my opinion! I've just bought a TT auto at the beginning of the year. The reason I bought it is my friend wanted to sell and I've always said give me first refusal. I think the big question over manual or auto depends on your plans, whether you want a huge power project or a weekend cruiser. The latter is what i personally want from it and would be over the moon with around 500bhp. I've been told (someone might correct me) that an auto with standard engine internals is good for upto 700bhp. I also prefer driving an auto : )
Andy

The stock auto can handle around 500bhp with coolers and a decent ECU, the engine internals are good for 700bhp, after that really you should be looking at a built block.

j_jza80
10-08-15, 14:55
What is the difference between the manual mode and cars that have the tiptronic system? Descriptions I've seen make them seem identical?

Is the manual mode the same and the term 'tiptronic' is applied to the facelift cars? :conf:

The tiptronic is quite a different beast :)

Basically, when the VVTi TT engines were introduced, they discontinued the regular auto and replaced it with the tiptronic. The big, aircraft throttle like shifter of the auto was replaced by a conventional looking gearknob, with a different gate pattern. Unlike the regular auto, the tiptronic has two driving modes, 'auto' and 'drive'. Auto is self explanatory. :) In drive, the car will hold gears until you change it with the steering wheel mounted buttons. It is a decent upgrade over the regular auto, and combined with the livlier VVTi engine it really moves the game on. I was unhappy with the feel of the stock buttons on my tiptronic, and replaced them with a paddleshift setup. Considering manual VVTi TTs can fetch over 15k now, buying a tiptronic for 10k is somewhat of a bargain, as you can convert it to manual and it will still be a little cheaper than buying a comparable manual car.

Alex_GT
10-08-15, 18:37
I wanted a 6 speed TT but they are just so expensive. I have an E46 M3 at the moment which has a 6 speed Getrag gearbox. Not sure how similar it is to the one in the Supra, but the M3 was also available with the SMG II gearbox. As the cars have got older the SMG II systems have become a big talking point as they seem prone to failures. How reliable is the tiptronic system on the Supra?

j_jza80
10-08-15, 19:19
Just as reliable as the regular auto :)

Guigsy
10-08-15, 19:24
iv had 5 and 6 speeds and auto. i have a 6 speed single at the moment. If i was to get another supra. It would be a BPU auto. Easily fast enough, and a pleasure to drive.

Westcoaster
10-08-15, 19:33
The BMW SMG II system is a robotised manual box controlled with a software driven servo motor controlled by an ECU, manufactured by Getrag. It's a system similar to that used in Smart cars except it's a lot stronger and a good bit quicker. It has reliability issues due to the poor quality of wiring and connectors making it all work, the actual 'boxes are very robust. I would assume that that BMW's SMG suffers the same issues.

The Supra's auto boxes in regular and Tiptronic, are conventional fluid - coupled auto boxes with the Tiptronic functions being software driven.

evinX
11-08-15, 04:30
Auto. Will never look back. Can kick down and pull real nicely. And thats na! Very smooth gear changes..not your usual pause and shunt stuff.

mwilkinson
11-08-15, 08:27
I've had two 6 spd manuals. One TT BPU and now 600BHP single. I love the manual box. It is a little agricultural, but then it can handle some serious power. On my current car I find slow moving traffic hard work, the first and second gear rev out quickly and I end up working the gears quite a bit. I believe my biggest issue here though is the heavy RPS clutch I have.

I have had the pleasure of driving a friends UK TT BPU auto and have to say I was very impressed. I think generally an auto BPU is a better responding car, certainly a more refined drive.

I've not been in a single turbo auto, but I assume the same is still true.

I think how the car is setup is very important to the feel of either the manual or auto experience.

Urky_89
11-08-15, 19:29
Thanks for all the help, nice to be on a forum and get useful replies! Hopefully it won't be long until I have a supra parked out the front :D