Duffers Posted January 3, 2005 Share Posted January 3, 2005 Hi All... I'm buying a freshly imported 1996 RZ-S TT in a week or so from a dealer in Keighley (Yorkshire) and wondered what paperwork I should be asking to look at etc. I've heard about auction grading of imported vehicles but who grades them and is the grade down on paper that I can look at? I'd appreciate any help on what dox I need to be asking to look at before I buy! I mentioned to the sales guy about what grade it was and he appeared to not know what I was going on about! Hope I don't buy a lemon! Paul D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dragonball Posted January 3, 2005 Share Posted January 3, 2005 Do a couple of searches on auction grades and these will reveal all Also check out Keighly on the same searches - i think that Micheal (Mcanny) lives not far from there and may be able to help you http://www.mkivsupra.net/vbb/showthread.php?t=16051&page=3&pp=20&highlight=Keighley Have you seen the car? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duffers Posted January 3, 2005 Author Share Posted January 3, 2005 Hi Paul Yes, I went to see it last week and had a good look over it. It seems okay but I was a bit concerned why the guy didn't know what I meant by grading! I've stuck a deposit on it to secure it for the time being. It's still on the Keighley site (black 96 rz-s) but I've got a slight hesitation in the back of my mind but I'm not sure why! I NEED that car! Paul D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted January 3, 2005 Share Posted January 3, 2005 Don't rely on the grading system. It can be open to interpretation. Unless it's a grade 4.5 or 5 (like new) a grade 3 or 4 can be quite open to dispute. The official auction sheet would be nice to see as it will usually highlight replaced panels, cracked screens, scratches, mileage etc. Just visable stuff. Not often a trader will let you see it though (or even have it available). The Japanese are a very honerable race and generally are not into the habit of ripping people off. You do pay for what you get though and inspection of the cars from a trusted person as you buy them in the Auctions is a highly desirable to check the mechanical aspects of the car. You could quiz them on their selection process and see if you're happy with that. Keighley advertise a lot of cars in autotrader and although I've never visited them myselves, I've heard they've had a few ropey examples in the past. Usual stuff applies : Go with an open mind and check all the usual things. If you're not sure, get an RAC check on it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted January 3, 2005 Share Posted January 3, 2005 I'm buying a freshly imported 1996 RZ-S TT in a week or so from a dealer in Keighley [fx: ALARM BELLS] Keighley? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duffers Posted January 3, 2005 Author Share Posted January 3, 2005 Hi Jake Yep, Keighley Trade Centre... You are scaring me now! Is there something I should know? Cheers Paul D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted January 3, 2005 Share Posted January 3, 2005 Hi Paul, To be fair, I have no personal knowledge of them but from what I've read about them on this forum they have had some pretty dodgy motors in the past. I seem to recall a mkivsupra.net member (was it Neil 'SkyJawa'?) went to look at a car there and was very critical. Just use your common sense. Check the car and documentation very thoroughly and you should be OK. If possible, take somebody with you who really knows their Suprastuff. Good luck mate - keep us posted. . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jap Scene UK Posted January 3, 2005 Share Posted January 3, 2005 Ok....i live close to them..and this is my personal opinion.... and not trying to put u off my competition lol.... i have heard thatwerent of very good std...now i have got into the game myslef ..i see cars ,most are ones that go cheap throu auciton as they have problems or have been poorly repair that go for that go cheap n it makes me wonder if it thats type of thing they get??!??...i personally would ahve them fully checked out or totally avoid... there are a lot more reputable dealers out there.. i also here some may have been clocked????!!... iknow of a few ppl that have had problems with them..search throu MLR..scoobynet ..Mazdarotary club.. and on here ...there rae quite a few post bout them which i would look at b4 i bought... As for grading if you looking for a clean one..you would be wanting a grade 3.5 or 4... Up to u bud...all i can say is be careful...... Cheers Matt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jap Scene UK Posted January 3, 2005 Share Posted January 3, 2005 If ya stuggle to find owt thats in the uk...then please dont hesiste to give me a shout..im more than happy to find ya a decent one from japan...im not that far away from ya.. matt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dragonball Posted January 3, 2005 Share Posted January 3, 2005 Paul Keep a cool head about it http://www.skylineowners.com/forum/showthread.php?mode=hybrid&t=6821 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tDR Posted January 3, 2005 Share Posted January 3, 2005 If ya stuggle to find owt thats in the uk...then please dont hesiste to give me a shout..im more than happy to find ya a decent one from japan...im not that far away from ya.. mattMatt - Calm the pimping or pay the traders fee and carry on pimping Paul - I've heard and read a number of negative things about KTC. What disturbs me most is the pretence of not knowing about the auction grading system, the fact that they have no evidence of grading or mileages and the fact that they remove all the jap maintenance stickers from the cars saying what was done when (oil change sticker in door post for example). I've also heard of them covering up many faults in one way or another. Go there with a calm head and take someone that really knows Supra's - get their unbiased opinion on the car you're looking at. I have a feeling Keighley are buying up many of the uk port auction cars - hence the poor quality cheap stock. That's purely my opinion and speculation though. For info - Decent cars are grade 4 or above, grade 3.5 tend to need a bit of work doing. There is also a world of difference between a grade 3 and a grade 4 car. There are a number of reputable import traders on this forum that you could get a nice Supra TT through - Paul E above for example has a few cars in stock at the moment and trades on his good reputation. Cheers, Brian. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jap Scene UK Posted January 3, 2005 Share Posted January 3, 2005 Brain lol... dont worry... spoken to lee..sorting.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tDR Posted January 3, 2005 Share Posted January 3, 2005 Brain lol... dont worry... spoken to lee..sorting.... k, cheers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duffers Posted January 3, 2005 Author Share Posted January 3, 2005 Hello Paul & Brian Thank you for your comments on this. I'm still going to have a drive over there tomorrow and quiz them on some bits and pieces and see what babble they give me! I'll see what paperwork they can show me and ask them AGAIN about grading etc... I'll let you know what is said tomorrow! I need a covert camera with me! Maybe we should do that one day! Might be a giggle! Cheers Fellas... I'll try and get some more pics of it too... If I don't go for this one, I've GOT to get a black TT with chromes and veilside kit. It just does it for me! I'll update tomorrow... Paul D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baojun Posted January 4, 2005 Share Posted January 4, 2005 Grade S>6>5 - Brand new to perfect condition Grade 4.5 - very good condition Grade 4.0 - good condition Grade 3.5 - fair condition Grade 3 - average to poorer condition Grade 2 - spares/repair Grade 1 - modified vehicle Grade 0 / 0.1 / 0.2 - Accident repaired (see vehicle report for replaced parts) Grade R / R A - Accident repaired / with very clean repair - usually by the insurance companies A1: small scratch A2: scratch A3: big scratch B1: little dent B2: dent B3: bit dent W1: small repair mark W2: repaired mark (waved) W3: not well repaired mark (waved) C1: small rust/corrosion C2: rust/corrosion C3: big rust/corrosion X: need to be replaced XX: replaced H: discoloration Non Genuine (Not maker's original) F: Front R: Rear T: Temporary (Tyre) W : double AC: air condition AAC: auto air condition WAC: double air condition FA: Floor Automatic transmission CA: Column Automatic transmission 5F: 5 speed Floor manual transmission 5C: 5 speed Column manual transmission SD: sedan HT: hard top PS: power steering PW: power window AW: aluminum wheel ST: stereo CD: CD player MD: Mini Disc player TV: television ABS: Anti-lock Brake System AFC: Air Flow Converter CPU: Central Processing Unit EVC: Engine Valve Controller (for boostup) G bird : anti-corrosive paint LSD: Limited Slip Differential SRS: air bag TRC (or TCS): Traction Control System VICS: Traffic Information Navigator Nox Regulation : Exhaust gas regulation applicable only in Japan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jap Scene UK Posted January 4, 2005 Share Posted January 4, 2005 Paul D...u get my email?? let me know! (y) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duffers Posted January 4, 2005 Author Share Posted January 4, 2005 Cheers for that baojun, that list should keep me busy! Later m8! Paul D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duffers Posted January 4, 2005 Author Share Posted January 4, 2005 Hi Matt Can you send it to [email protected] for me m8? Got a problem with my Gmail account at the moment! :upside: Ta! Paul D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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