NA with 276HP and 318lb of torque

Not sure if its a repost but I came across this on gumtree tonight.

Looks like another delusional seller not only is he claiming ridiculous power figures but he seems to think an NA is worth £10,000? [sHOCK][/sHOCK]

http://www.gumtree.com/p/cars-vans-motorbikes/toyota-supra-mk4-great-sport-car-for-sale-excellent-condition-price-negotiable/1013929034#gallery-item-full-1

£10k for an NA auto?

Maybe the Supra market is going up!

I call bull poop.

He must think its a TT he's got, lol, is 276HP(206KW;280PS) and 318lb.ft (431N.m) not TT book figures?

He must think its a TT he's got, lol, is 276HP(206KW;280PS) and 318lb.ft (431N.m) not TT book figures?

TTs were 326 BHP out the factory iirc.

He must think its a TT he's got, lol, is 276HP(206KW;280PS) and 318lb.ft (431N.m) not TT book figures?

Yep, J spec TT figures.

TTs were 326 BHP out the factory iirc.

The exports had 320hp mate.

Is a tidy looking na auto but not £10000 nice or 276hp

I like the race steering wheel he has. Anyone know what it is?

I like the race steering wheel he has. Anyone know what it is?

Looks like an omp one though I maybe wrong

Just noticed he says he only bought it march last year. I wonder how much he paid for it back then lol

Yep, J spec TT figures.

 

The exports had 320hp mate.

No they weren't, all TT's had 326bhp out of the factory.

Mine dyno'ed at 352bhp with just both the cats taken out at close to stock boost.

Just noticed he says he only bought it march last year. I wonder how much he paid for it back then lol

More than £10k?!

I remember seeing this advert actually, it was the one which was advertised as a TT but the engine clearly showed it wasn't. I hope the owner wasn't fooled into thinking it was a twin turbo. It wouldn't be the first time it has happened if he was. Only reason I remember it was because he stated the wheels were worth £1,800 second hand

No they weren't, all TT's had 326bhp out of the factory.

 

Mine dyno'ed at 352bhp with just both the cats taken out at close to stock boost.

Oh really? So both UK specs and J specs had the same power even with the UK having bigger injectors etc?

Oh really? So both UK specs and J specs had the same power even with the UK having bigger injectors etc?

Yes both had the same power as standard.

Mr W, you have fallen prey to knowledge passed around by the unknowledgeable.

Yes both had the same power as standard.

 

Mr W, you have fallen prey to knowledge passed around by the unknowledgeable.

Why is this crap all over the web!!!!

http://mkiv.supras.org.nz/specs.htm

Wikipedia -

a twin turbocharged Toyota 2JZ-GTE making 276 hp (206 kW; 280 PS) and 318 lb·ft (431 N·m) of torque for the Japanese version. The styling, while modern, does seem to borrow some elements from Toyota's first grand touring sports car: the Toyota 2000GT. For the export model (America/Europe) Toyota upgraded the Supra turbo's engine (smaller, steel wheeled turbochargers, bigger fuel injectors, etc.). This increased the power output to 320 hp (239 kW; 324 PS) at 5600 rpm and 315 lb·ft (427 N·m) at 4000 rpm

Oh really? So both UK specs and J specs had the same power even with the UK having bigger injectors etc?

Yep, it was an urban myth, well a gentlemen agreement in Japan which stated they had 276bhp, you'll see the Skyline was stated as having the same.

Bigger injectors doesn't mean more power fella, the boost would still be the same

NEVER trust Wikipedia

Iirc those different figures were passed around to make the export Supras more desirable.

Yep, it was an urban myth, well a gentlemen agreement in Japan which stated they had 276bhp, you'll see the Skyline was stated as having the same.

 

Bigger injectors doesn't mean more power fella, the boost would still be the same

The Japanese didnt want to get involved with power figures, Well thats what I heard anyway?

Yep, it was an urban myth, well a gentlemen agreement in Japan which stated they had 276bhp, you'll see the Skyline was stated as having the same.

 

Bigger injectors doesn't mean more power fella, the boost would still be the same

The link above states all the differences but I cant argue, I didnt write this rubbish lol.

Obviously the seller got part of his ad from wiki then, He DOES think its a TT

Or sold to him as such

Love the seats!

The link above states all the differences but I cant argue, I didnt write this rubbish lol.

The heart breaker dyno doesn't lie, so the prove is in the pudding

Obviously the seller got part of his ad from wiki then, He DOES think its a TT

Or sold to him as such

For some reason I am starting to think that, I really hope it isn't true (Shouldn't laugh really, as it is quite sad if that is true).

The heart breaker dyno doesn't lie, so the prove is in the pudding

 

 

I know the UKs had steel turbos that take a bit more to spool so I guess thats why they had to upgrade the cams and injectors to match the power of the J specs ceramic turbos. Strange

Now wheres my pudding...

Why is this crap all over the web!!!!

 

http://mkiv.supras.org.nz/specs.htm

 

Wikipedia -

 

a twin turbocharged Toyota 2JZ-GTE making 276 hp (206 kW; 280 PS) and 318 lb·ft (431 N·m) of torque for the Japanese version. The styling, while modern, does seem to borrow some elements from Toyota's first grand touring sports car: the Toyota 2000GT. For the export model (America/Europe) Toyota upgraded the Supra turbo's engine (smaller, steel wheeled turbochargers, bigger fuel injectors, etc.). This increased the power output to 320 hp (239 kW; 324 PS) at 5600 rpm and 315 lb·ft (427 N·m) at 4000 rpm

http://www.caranddriver.com/news/japan-dumps-276-hp-pact-car-news

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Once and for all, there never was any actual formal or informal agreement among the Japanese automakers not to manufacture vehicles rated above 276 net hp (better known as SAE net horsepower, different from bhp) When will this rumor ever die?!? I did a search on Google last night and found dozens of discussions on message boards of all kinds speculating on this issue, with dozens of incorrect answers & assumptions. The truth was first presented to me last year in an issue of Super Street that discussed the JGTC, and later research confirmed it. Info on that is below, excerpts of which were taken from a post I did yesterday in the "All-Motor" forum: (sorry it's so long, but it was a lot of pertinent information)

 

The ceiling on hp had nothing to do with a gentlemen's agreement between the manufacturer's, it also had nothing to do with driver safety or restricting exports to other countries or anything of that nature. It all had to do with racing, Japanese circuit racing.

 

The JGTC or All-Japan Grand Touring Championship (I hate to say it, but if you've ever played Gran Turismo 2 or 3 then you'll recognize the name VERY quickly) is a prestigious race series in Japan, similar to our NASCAR in popularity. It was created in 1994 and it's governing body the GT-A has VERY strict rules/regulations. The JGTC is seperated into 2 classes the GT 500 & GT 300; the numbers designate the ROUGH hp limits for cars competing in those classes. Motor swaps are restricted to the same manufacturer and the car's body MUST be mostly stock and fucnctional. Aero mods and suspension tweaks are the very limit of what is allowed, so in essense it is mostly stock VS stock, especially in the GT 300 class; are you beginning to see the picture?

 

While anything from Vipers to Ferraris to Lambos compete in the GT 500, the 300 is more homegrown. The cars that traditionally competed in the GT 300 class were the cream-of-the-crop of all of the Japanese auto manufacturers, and it's line-up consisted of cars like the Mazda FD-3S RX-7, the Mitsu 3000 GT (GTO) and afterwards the EVO, the Nissan 300ZX & Skyline, the Honda NSX, the Toyota Supra, and a few others. Ok, now are you seeing a logical trend here?!?

 

The JDM manufacturers wanted each of their flagship cars to be able to compete against one another without engine modification within the limits of the GT 300 Class horsepower limitations, so they all "claimed" that none of their cars made over 280 hp at the crank (but most of them underrated their vehicle's capabilities, in essense they all cheated). What better way to advertise your flagship car and prove that yours is better than your competitors than by having your mostly stock sportscar kick theirs' *** in the most prestigious, most watched racing circuit in all of Japan?!? It also made it easier for a potential team/owner to field a GT 300 Class car instead of a 500 because it was much cheaper since no engine mods would be needed. That made the GT 300 more popular than the GT 500, although the "big brother" Class attracted fans of the exotics.

 

 

 

Thus, the hp "limit" was born, although it was mostly bogus, because for example, some "stock" RB26DETT's (R33/34 Skyline motors) have repeatedly dyno'd well over 320 whp, but the abuses of the rule were generally allowed/ignored because they (the JDM manufacturers) were all doing it, fudging their net hp numbers to gain an advantage on the track. It was only cracked down upon by the GT-A if the races became uncompetitive, as when the Nissan Skylines dominated in the mid-90's and were banned for a short time.

 

So there you have it. The reason why you are seeing and will be seeing more and more cars being produced that will exceed the limit is because they will not compete in the GT Series, so they see no need to restrict them any longer (but it's obvious that cars like the 350Z and R35 are lined up for the GT 300 & Honda will increase the hp on the NSX to possibly compete in the GT 500 Series in the near future, as will Toyota's new version of the Supra).

http://www.caranddriver.com/news/japan-dumps-276-hp-pact-car-news

 

 

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Well that clears it up! What would I do without you guys