View Full Version : Just to set the record straight...
Kevin Huntley
05-08-04, 20:13
I've heard a few rumors etc of late about various customers orders that I'd like to clear up.
Between January 2004 and June 2004 we used a supplier called Torque Sport UK Ltd, now known as Torque UK Wholesale Ltd. The director and operator of this company, a Mr Robert Timms contacted us in the hope we would do business with them.
After quoting us some rather attractive prices, we placed several small orders with them to try their service. Initially the service was good, cheap and fast. However as with all things in life that are too good to be true things started to go wrong. After weeks of placing sizeable orders (over 10K At a time for few weeks) it became apparent over time that the larger, high value items were not coming through and suspicions started to materialise.
People who ordered through us is in this period were generally serviced by this dealer. Two customers who were particularly affected due to the nature of their orders were Matt B and Colin Jones, who most of you know, ordered sets of Do Luck wheels from us.
The lead time was quoted at 4-5 weeks from Torque sport, Colin and Matt then paid us for the wheels, and we in turn paid Torque Sport.
After 5 weeks we began to chase frequently for the wheels, and was told that they would be arriving within a few days. Once they landed, Torque Sport then sent the wheels to ourselves the following day we awaited their arrival, only to be told that they had been stolen from the depot. We obviously passed this onto Colin and Matt at time (Obviously not knowing at the time that this was indeed a lie). Colin and Matt then had the patience for us to re-order the wheels from the same supplier which was a big mistake.
Obviously some time went past again when the wheels were again supposed to be with us after 4-5 weeks and guess what no wheels! At this point we decided to remove any pending orders (we had already stopped placing new orders with them due to large
Suspicions) with Torque Sport UK Ltd. We were hearing several stories from other traders about this company and Mr Timms. At this point in time (May) our pending orders had reached over £23000.
To try and preserve our reputation we re-ordered all parts that had been ordered from Torque Sport from else where and cancelled all the other orders despite not getting our money back. This put a huge financial burden on Envy Performance Ltd and these were very difficult and stressfull times for myself and Gareth both of who did without wages to help the cause.
Both Colin and Matt stuck with us initially, Colin wanted wheels in a quicker timescale, so we air shipped a set from USA to come in a little over a week. Colin didn't go for these in the end, and the balance of his account was refunded after we agreed on a refund. We re-ordered Matts wheels direct from Do Luck Japan, however the lead time was much longer this time at 8 weeks to fit over Matts larger brakes. Again a refund was agreed and was paid instantly back to Matt.
At this time we had refunded both orders without getting our money back - something that few other traders would be able to do.
Through our dealings with this company we lost a great deal of money, and only a company of our size and financial ability would be able to recover from such a setback. The fact we had to personally guarantee the financial support with our own Supra’s should say a great deal to the commitment to the company and the community. We could have wound the company up, leaving all our customers in dire straights, but we strongly adhere to the rule "We would not do to others what we wouldn't like done to ourselves".
To date, this unscrupulous business man put 3 traders out of business and put people out of pocket by £90000 at least, from what other traders have told me (and there are lots).
I hope this will put an end to the rumors and bitching by other traders about so called false promises and deliveries not turning up.
To be clear we have “NEVER” not delivered a part that has been ordered and paid for and we have always given a re-fund if requested so by a customer if the quoted timescales have been exceeded.
We are very pleased that our business is now back on and “Even Keel” and with your support we will rebuild the business reputation back to how it was before our unfortunate dealings with Torque Sport.
We will continue to work night and day to try and please everyone but it simply isn't possible to get it right 100% off the time, at the end of the day we are only human.
When we do make a mistake we are the first to hold our hands up, and do something to correct it by way of free delivery, a freebie etc.
Myself or Gareth are always contactable should anyone have any doubts over anything we sell, have sold or services we provide.
Once again I would like to personaly apologise and say sorry to our customers who were affected by this situation.
I was going to keep this thread locked but I thought it apt to let others comment as long as it’s appropriate.
Best Regards
The Envy Team
michel lane
05-08-04, 21:57
There are people out their that would leave you in the lurch and say "sod you , iam looking after number one" . I have been through simular circustances with clients on the board and within my own business as kevin and garth . From my personal point of view , as people are concerned , these two guys are one of the most honerable and helpful people that you can meet.
They dont have to explain to others about there problems , but having the bottle to admit there shortfalls takes courage. I havent had much dealings with them in relation to parts for my car , but as people, they are one of the finest you can meet.
I hope that people understand the minefield out there within business, So dont judge them over romours.
MONKEYmark
06-08-04, 07:20
kevin is a top bloke and always there to help. you can tell his reputation means a lot to him.
i hate when you hear of con merchants getting away with ripping people off.
all the best
:( A shame about your ordeal with Mr Timms, I hope you can recover some of the money in the long-run. Trustworthy people are few and far between.
All the best with the business in the future, your both top blokes and I'm sure things will go well for you, you've proven yourselves as an honest trader.
I just want to apolgies to Kevin/Envy for involving them in what appears to be a personal matter between me and Gaz.
:cool:
Hi guys,
Im not a member/supra owner, however, a friend on the board is and showed me this message re Torque and Rob.
I have also been dealing with Mr Timms and i have to say, service is very poor indeed. I should have got my refund this weekend which i need to go to the bank to check. I have been promised a refund for sometime now and its just been dragged on.
I speak to ROb quite a lot chasing for payment, and he has told me has given the trading up. Torque's prices were extremely interesting and he seemed to get big to quick and couldnt keep up with demand. Was a shame as i thought Torque was going to do well and more attractive prices would have been seen :D :D
Hope to speak to you guys soon anyway :D
Post been edited? How come? Was just asking questions?
I think it is important to note in addition to what Kev has said above, that when running a fully legitimate business where accounts must be submitted on behalf of companies house and VAT returns are submitted quarterly that there is far more work involved than people realise.
As well as this it may also be prudent to point out the distinction between gaz & kev and the Envy brand.
As Gaz and Kev, they are totally different from the Envy entity. Both in terms of law and liability people should be careful to make this distinction correctly.
As Kev says, they could have liquidated the company and they would have kept their cars, houses and everything else as the company has limited liability. Their creditors could have ended up with nothing (customers who have paid would be considered creditors).
I am by no means sticking my oar in or sticking up for envy, either way I am sat on the fence with objectivity. I just thought it was a prudent time to post something that I have considered posting for a while on behalf of all the traders who do take stick sometimes in the name of their company (justified or not, it doesn't matter).
So there you have it.
Cassie-Thor
09-08-04, 12:13
Hi, we deal with with envy alot at thor, and have never had any problems, if i call for advice, or an order etc they are always very helpful, i cant see what people take into rumours so much, envy are a great company and that can definatly not be denied, i mean have u seen the cars they bring to shows? (pure perfection and style) :D. I met Gaz and Kevin at Ten of the best and they was really nice, and even though Gaz was really busy he still had time to help me find out about an induction kit for a customer.
I give all respect to them for their hard work no rumours because of a company that scr**ed them over will change my comments about their service.:D .
Sorry to hear about your loss lads, well done for getting everything back on track.
Cassie
Originally posted by stealthhosts
I think it is important to note in addition to what Kev has said above, that when running a fully legitimate business where accounts must be submitted on behalf of companies house and VAT returns are submitted quarterly that there is far more work involved than people realise.
As well as this it may also be prudent to point out the distinction between gaz & kev and the Envy brand.
As Gaz and Kev, they are totally different from the Envy entity. Both in terms of law and liability people should be careful to make this distinction correctly.
As Kev says, they could have liquidated the company and they would have kept their cars, houses and everything else as the company has limited liability. Their creditors could have ended up with nothing (customers who have paid would be considered creditors).
I am by no means sticking my oar in or sticking up for envy, either way I am sat on the fence with objectivity. I just thought it was a prudent time to post something that I have considered posting for a while on behalf of all the traders who do take stick sometimes in the name of their company (justified or not, it doesn't matter).
So there you have it.
My post was no disrespect to Envy. Like i said in my post, i have dealt with Robert Timms, have been stung as well. I am waiting for a refund from him and i just wanted to see that Envy got their refund.
There is alot of work running a company and i never said that? Im an accountant by trade so im normally the one submitting peoples accounts and vat returns!
And if it does get bad, you can sue the directors. Even the Rob is behind Torque so behind a ltd company (and same as anyone, Gaz and Kev are behind Envy Ltd), you can actually sue the directors (regardless if the company is incorporated as a ltd company or not) if the company was formed by directors (normally newly formed companies) and are seen as hiding behind the veil of incorporation. But there is no need to get into this.
I was just asking a question due to my refund from Rob and would be interested to hear Envys views. I have no problems with Envy, no problems with supra owners, or anyone else (just Rob from Torque)
Gaz- your pm box is full. I emailed you something you may want to read instead- pass it onto kev. cheers
Gaz Walker
09-08-04, 12:36
Rosie,
Cleared some space :)
Regards,
Gaz.
Originally posted by Supragal
Gaz- your pm box is full. I emailed you something you may want to read instead- pass it onto kev. cheers
Yours is full to, tried replying to your PM but wont send :D
Originally posted by Money
My post was no disrespect to Envy. Like i said in my post, i have dealt with Robert Timms, have been stung as well. I am waiting for a refund from him and i just wanted to see that Envy got their refund.
There is alot of work running a company and i never said that? Im an accountant by trade so im normally the one submitting peoples accounts and vat returns!
And if it does get bad, you can sue the directors. Even the Rob is behind Torque so behind a ltd company (and same as anyone, Gaz and Kev are behind Envy Ltd), you can actually sue the directors (regardless if the company is incorporated as a ltd company or not) if the company was formed by directors (normally newly formed companies) and are seen as hiding behind the veil of incorporation. But there is no need to get into this.
I was just asking a question due to my refund from Rob and would be interested to hear Envys views. I have no problems with Envy, no problems with supra owners, or anyone else (just Rob from Torque)
Sorry mate, I don't know why you quoted me, I didn't even read your post, I just read kevs. I wasn't talking to anybody in particular.
Originally posted by stealthhosts
Sorry mate, I don't know why you quoted me, I didn't even read your post, I just read kevs. I wasn't talking to anybody in particular.
Sorry mate, thought you was quoting me. lol
I dont want to be seen as a newbie coming on here to slate Envy as im not. Just trying to find out about Torque:D
Just seen you guys got more smilies on your board to :gallery: :angry:
Originally posted by Money
Yours is full to, tried replying to your PM but wont send :D
yup, fraid it's overflowing at the mo... loads of clothing/sticker etc stuff i cant delete yet in there... please use the "email" link from my profile then theres no probs with it getting through :thumbs: feel free to try again now- you might get lucky!!
Gaz- did you get the email?
Gaz Walker
09-08-04, 13:53
I did yeah Rosie :)
I replied anyway?
Gaz.
Kevin / Gaz
Whilst I agree with most of what you say, I feel I have to correct your comment, "Colin wanted wheels in a quicker timescale, so we air shipped a set from USA to come in a little over a week. Colin didn't go for these in the end".
That sounds as if I changed my mind. That was not the case. The reason I did not go for them was that I had told Gaz that the new delivery had to be with me by a certain date and that if they were any later then I could not accept delivery. Gaz agreed and ordered the wheels on that basis. Unfortunately, the wheels did not arrive on that date and that was the reason they were rejected.
As far as i am concerened, this is now all in the past and I hope that everything sorts itself out and that you continue to trade for a long time to come.
Gaz Walker
09-08-04, 18:41
Originally posted by CJ
That sounds as if I changed my mind. That was not the case. The reason I did not go for them was that I had told Gaz that the new delivery had to be with me by a certain date and that if they were any later then I could not accept delivery. Gaz agreed and ordered the wheels on that basis. Unfortunately, the wheels did not arrive on that date and that was the reason they were rejected.
As far as i am concerened, this is now all in the past and I hope that everything sorts itself out and that you continue to trade for a long time to come.
Colin,
The whole idea of the thread was not to get into the nitty gritty, just to provide answers to the rumours that have been circulated by other traders.
Lets just put this one behind us.
Thanks for the comments.
Regards,
Gareth.
Gaz feel free to PM me as you obviously dont want to discuss it on here and edited my posts.
I just want to see if Rob is telling the truth and what i said in the first post about the refund and timescale was correct
Gaz Walker
09-08-04, 22:29
Originally posted by Money
Gaz feel free to PM me as you obviously dont want to discuss it on here and edited my posts.
I just want to see if Rob is telling the truth and what i said in the first post about the refund and timescale was correct
Hi Money,
I am happy to discuss things - I only removed one paragraph of one post as it contained sensitive information which I'd prefer to be discussed off a public forum until this matter is resolved.
As one of the moderators pointed out please PM me or phone me anytime should you need any infomation.
Regards,
Gareth.
Originally posted by Gaz Walker
Hi Money,
I am happy to discuss things - I only removed one paragraph of one post as it contained sensitive information which I'd prefer to be discussed off a public forum until this matter is resolved.
As one of the moderators pointed out please PM me or phone me anytime should you need any infomation.
Regards,
Gareth.
Edited my own post
Shall speak to you tomorrow :D
and im not looking to cause probs
Mmmm...
Originally posted by mcanny
Mmmm...
Whats that supposed to mean?
Im due a big refund from Torque. I have spoke to CFX and Rod Bell and "apparently! Torque has refunded Envy already. Im trying to find out if they have and also when.
I tried emailing Envy off the boards but got no reply
A friend pointed out Envy posted up here regarding Rob Timms at Torque so i joined up.
Only been on here a day, and there is more trouble here than on the scooby boards! lol. Comments like mmmm crack me up. :innocent:
Money,
Comments like Havent you refunded everyone and are just letting customers know why it went wrong? make it seem (to me at least) like you're trying to cause trouble. I presume from mcanny's "Mmmm" comment that he was getting the same impression. Why don't you keep your veiled comments and suggestions between you and Gareth rather than posting them in public?
Originally posted by Jake
Money,
Comments like make it seem (to me at least) like you're trying to cause trouble. I presume from mcanny's "Mmmm" comment that he was getting the same impression. Why don't you keep your veiled comments and suggestions between you and Gareth rather than posting them in public? #
Doh doh and doh! Just wrote a reply and internet crashed
Reply basically agreed and i edited my post.
I have nothing to hide and thats why comments have just been posted up here. I tried emailing Gareth but had no joy
Originally posted by Jake
Money,
Comments like make it seem (to me at least) like you're trying to cause trouble. I presume from mcanny's "Mmmm" comment that he was getting the same impression. Why don't you keep your veiled comments and suggestions between you and Gareth rather than posting them in public?
Also there was no trouble to be caused there. It was simply asking/saying: Torque have apparently refunded Envy. Now Gareths post now is it:
1 - Letting people know why the refunds were late. Cause of Torque.
2 - Refunds will be coming soon, just been waiting from Torque who ballsed it up.
I think we can all agree Torque messed it up and i was just trying to find out if Envy got refunded before (and Rob kept to his word) or recently (so Rob lied again) as it will depend on my refund from Rob to.
I think if you were waiting from a refund from Rob for £xxxx's, you would be asking 200 questions to :D
To be honest, i expected Envy to answer questions, not have everyone jump in saying how good they are. I think people know how good they are, Envy seem to be everywhere - fair play to them :D
Gaz Walker
09-08-04, 23:55
Money - would you mind me asking who you are - feel free to PM me.
BTW if you want to catch me personally try emailing me @ gareth@envyperformance.com or by clicking the email icon on the bottom of this post.
Gaz.
Money,
The Envy guys are well respected on this forum. Anything that might be seen as attempting to stir-up trouble for them would not likely go down very well here. I'm not saying you have bad intentions, I don't know, but that was the impression I'd gotten from your posts - perhaps wrongly.
If Mr Timms owed me serious money I'd be on his doorstep offering him a lift to the bank, not posting on an internet forum that he doesn't read anyway.
If you're down a lot of money because of the alledgedly bad business practices of Mr Timms you have my sympathy but the Envy section of this forum isn't the place the discuss it.
Gaz,
Feel free to prune mine and Money's posts from this thread.
--
Jake
Originally posted by Jake
Money,
The Envy guys are well respected on this forum. Anything that might be seen as attempting to stir-up trouble for them would not likely go down very well here. I'm not saying you have bad intentions, I don't know, but that was the impression I'd gotten from your posts - perhaps wrongly.
If Mr Timms owed me serious money I'd be on his doorstep offering him a lift to the bank, not posting on an internet forum that he doesn't read anyway.
If you're down a lot of money because of the alledgedly bad business practices of Mr Timms you have my sympathy but the Envy section of this forum isn't the place the discuss it.
Gaz,
Feel free to prune mine and Money's posts from this thread.
--
Jake
AHMEN!
Originally posted by Jake
Gaz,
Feel free to prune mine and Money's posts from this thread.
--
Jake
Oh I'm sure he will :innocent:
Originally posted by Jake
Money,
The Envy guys are well respected on this forum. Anything that might be seen as attempting to stir-up trouble for them would not likely go down very well here. I'm not saying you have bad intentions, I don't know, but that was the impression I'd gotten from your posts - perhaps wrongly.
If Mr Timms owed me serious money I'd be on his doorstep offering him a lift to the bank, not posting on an internet forum that he doesn't read anyway.
If you're down a lot of money because of the alledgedly bad business practices of Mr Timms you have my sympathy but the Envy section of this forum isn't the place the discuss it.
Gaz,
Feel free to prune mine and Money's posts from this thread.
--
Jake
Well since joining up it seems some people absolutely love Envy and some dont. Im not bothered either way as i have never dealt with them. If i did, i would be saying they are good, or they are rubbish. All through my posts i have said, nothing against Envy, trying to find out whats going on.
I have gone to Mr Timms front door - that didnt work as he seems to disappear before i get there. Im finding out who got refunded and if its b*ll*cks or not. Envy was the last person to contact. Again, like i said before, i tried contacting Envy and had no joy, someone showed me this post so i joined up to ask direct as they obviously have their own forum here.
This would be the place to discuss it, if customers dealt with Envy, and are still waiting for a refund or have had a refund because of Torque :D
Gaz, you wont know me from here mate. Im a scooby owner, only joined up as a friend often looks at this site as he is thinking about a supra and being a fellow scoob, pointed me this way. Will email you in a tick :D
All of this because my first post was edited, and i just asked why. lol.
Well since joining up it seems some people absolutely love Envy and some dont
What relevance does this have to your cause?
All of this because my first post was edited, and i just asked why. lol.
No.... all because you go on and on and on and on saying the same thing over and over again.
You have an outstanding issue with Torque UK Wholesale Ltd and Mr Robert Timms, not mkivsupra.net.
By all means make contact with people to discuss this matter if it helps you but do it directly, Envy have telephone numbers, email addresses, a forum of their own and an address - to date your comments seem to challenge the validity of statements made by Envy and have a sneaky undertone. This may not be intentional but it's the way I'm reading them.
May I suggest you look
here (http://www.courtservice.gov.uk/mcol/index.htm) and pursue this matter through the proper channels.
Oh and welcome to mkivsupra.net.
Originally posted by mcanny
Oh and welcome to mkivsupra.net.
PMSL:D You gotta love that!
Originally posted by mcanny
What relevance does this have to your cause?
No.... all because you go on and on and on and on saying the same thing over and over again.
You have an outstanding issue with Torque UK Wholesale Ltd and Mr Robert Timms, not mkivsupra.net.
By all means make contact with people to discuss this matter if it helps you but do it directly, Envy have telephone numbers, email addresses, a forum of their own and an address - to date your comments seem to challenge the validity of statements made by Envy and have a sneaky undertone. This may not be intentional but it's the way I'm reading them.
May I suggest you look
here (http://www.courtservice.gov.uk/mcol/index.htm) and pursue this matter through the proper channels.
Oh and welcome to mkivsupra.net.
Tried emailing, no luck. Tried ringing no luck. Didnt try their forum though.
Email Gaz this morning so waiting reply.
lol at sneaky undertone, i dont have a sneaky undertone. If i wanted to say it was fake i would. No point bullsh*tting :D
Apologies if they seem sneaky though
Thanks for the site and the welcome
:D
Kevin Huntley
10-08-04, 09:35
Money, I am in the office now sitting by the phone 01670 823333 I suggest you give me a call if you wish to discuss anything concerning Mr Timms. I will need to know who you are and what company you work for.
Best Regards
Kevin Huntley
Director
ignore - Kev's responded before me.
Gaz Walker
10-08-04, 09:47
Money, I've just got an email from you this morning so I am pleased you've got in touch by an official channel.
Regards,
Gaz.
Originally posted by Kevin Huntley
Money, I am in the office now sitting by the phone 01670 823333 I suggest you give me a call if you wish to discuss anything concerning Mr Timms. I will need to know who you are and what company you work for.
Best Regards
Kevin Huntley
Director
Gaz has emailed me Kevin to which i have replied. If you wish to email me, Gaz has the email address but i think Ill be talking to Gaz (your both directors right)?
Originally posted by Gaz Walker
Money, I've just got an email from you this morning so I am pleased you've got in touch by an official channel.
Regards,
Gaz.
Good man, and replied :D
I did try the "official channel" before but explained this above :D
Cheers for the email Gareth, will give you a ring later.
I "expect" ill probably be banned for causing trouble on here so i shall bye now. If im not banned, then ill probably come and visit so you wont have got rid of me. :D
Otherwise, im sure i will see some of you guys at shows:D
Originally posted by Money
Otherwise, im sure i will see some of you guys at shows:D
Although none of us will know who you are :innocent:
Cassie-Thor
10-08-04, 15:20
I know this is absolutly nothing to do with me. But the way you replied to money ( we probly wont know you ) is a comment that need not be made, i have seen no discrimintaion against anyone in what money has wrote, maybe some thingshe wrote could of come out different, i dont know him so please dont think i am someone just sticking up for him, i just feel that a coversation that was just for kevin to set something straight has turned into what looks like an immature little argument which needed not be. Everyone has right to their own opinion including money, and if you dont like what someone has to say, ignore it as simple as that.
As i said in my last post, Kevin & Gaz are lovely guys and im sure he didnt want a post he wrote to set something straight and in the lines of apologise for something that was another companys doings.
Please dont think this is aimed at anyone, its not, and im not trying to sound like an evil bitch either :P .. But i just dont think it is fair that money now seems forced off the forum.
I said at the beginning its nothing to do with me at all, but maybe it will just let you see what is being written on here.
Regards
cassie :baa:
Originally posted by Cassie-Thor
if you dont like what someone has to say, ignore it as simple as that. :eek:
Cassie-Thor
10-08-04, 15:45
Sorry obviously no need to ignore it, but im sure you will agree to reply in a nicer way would be sufficient? il just shut up now lol :P :innocent:
Originally posted by Cassie-Thor
Please dont think this is aimed at anyone, its not
Yet you say...
But the way you replied to money ( we probly wont know you ) is a comment that need not be made
So in a way it's aimed at me ;)
My comment, as quoted in your reply, was genuine - if I go to a meet tomorrow and Money is there I won't have a clue who he or she is, we know nothing about his/her car and there hasn't been any of the usual "hi my name is Money" type banter prior to this thread so all I have to go on is that someone called "Money" is trying to get some money from a chap who owes money to Money.
As I said above "welcome to mkivsupra.net" Money.
Gaz Walker
10-08-04, 16:01
Originally posted by Cassie-Thor
But i just dont think it is fair that money now seems forced off the forum.
Cassie,
He's not?
Money came here to ask us some questions and get in touch. We've spoke by email and will talk by phone later on...
If he comes back to the forum then thats upto him :)
Regards,
Gareth.
Cassie-Thor
10-08-04, 16:02
hehe mcanny true sorry mate,,if you ever see a little pug speedight with a sheep on the front thats me :D hehe :P :baa:
Originally posted by Cassie-Thor
Sorry obviously no need to ignore it, but im sure you will agree to reply in a nicer way would be sufficient? Sorry but I don't agree really Cassie. I'm honestly not even sure what you mean. I couldn't have been any more polite whilst still making my point. :shrugs:
Originally posted by Gaz Walker
Cassie,
He's not?
Money came here to ask us some questions and get in touch. We've spoke by email and will talk by phone later on...
If he comes back to the forum then thats upto him :)
Regards,
Gareth.
Im not yet but may be kicked off soon, probably. :D
Cassie-Thor, thanks for the reply. I guess i did kind of wrote it badly, just was so p*ssed of with Torque, couldnt write it quick enough. Maybe i should have thought about it first and phrased it better.
mcanny, ive got nothing to hide. Ive got a black scoob, 2.5 with big f*ck off garrett. Should be at the 1/4 miles soon running 11s but 10s will be so much nicer. :D Anyway point is, ill come over to supra owners and say hi, and if you see me, come and say hi.
And lol at your money owes money blah blah. :D Im normally on the scoob forums so you will see me there if you ever have a look. I never joined to say hi im money as a mate pointed me to this forum regarding probs with Torque, and i just jumped in on Envys forum as they had same probs i had.
Anyway, spoke to Gareth tonight. Top stuff. Had a good chat and he was given the same stories as me. Spoke about loads of stuff and was glad to sort it out.
Ive told Gareth feel free to edit/delete my posts as its obviously caused some probs.
Otherwise, have a smilie on me :sex:
i thought it a bit harsh on Money.. couldn't see the undertones myself although he doesn't seem great at getting to the point.
just my tuppence.
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