CJ Posted June 8, 2004 Share Posted June 8, 2004 People I have sold my recently bought and installed Cusco suspension as it was too harsh for my liking. I am now in the market for a new set up and was wondering what views you people have re. your after market set ups. I know that Vortex have just started selling the JIC kit and whilst I have no doubt it is the dogz, at £1350 it is outside my budget. Do any of you use the Koni and eibach system? What about Tein? KYB? FYI, I do very few track days and am more interested in a fast road set up without being too harsh. In the past I have used yellow Bilsteins with RSR springs and found that to be good but due to the body mods, the RSR's lowered the car too much. Any help or advice is greatly appreciated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
V Posted June 8, 2004 Share Posted June 8, 2004 I'm only used to the Tein HA. Adjustable height and dampening. I've got it on the sofetest setting which is fine for most roads, & i live in the sticks (even my wife doesnt mind it), although i thought it was a tad too stiff to begin with but liveable. I've now got used to it and might even set it a bit stiffer. The stiff setting (theres 16 by the way) is unbareably hard. Its lowered slightly and running on 17". Not much help in comparisons i'm afraid, but if your ever in the Suffolk/JAE your more than welcome to have go. Regards Stephen V Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colsoop Posted June 8, 2004 Share Posted June 8, 2004 hello I am using the eibach springs with kyb non adjustable dampers running on uk 17's, the ride is very firm. I get a slight rubbage from the front as well. I hope thats helpful regards colin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CJ Posted June 8, 2004 Author Share Posted June 8, 2004 Originally posted by colsoop hello I am using the eibach springs with kyb non adjustable dampers running on uk 17's, the ride is very firm. I get a slight rubbage from the front as well. I hope thats helpful regards colin mmm...if that is firm on 17's then the chances are it will be harsher on the 18's eh? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SimonB Posted June 8, 2004 Share Posted June 8, 2004 How about stock? I think you'll be doing well to beat the stock setup with the alignment set correctly for fast road use. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CJ Posted June 8, 2004 Author Share Posted June 8, 2004 Originally posted by SimonB How about stock? I think you'll be doing well to beat the stock setup with the alignment set correctly for fast road use. Without wishing to sound too numpty - what exactly does the stock set up consist of? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SimonB Posted June 8, 2004 Share Posted June 8, 2004 Originally posted by CJ Without wishing to sound too numpty - what exactly does the stock set up consist of? Errrr, good question! Shocks are Bilstein, but that's about all I know... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitesupraboy2 Posted June 8, 2004 Share Posted June 8, 2004 surely you'd want it lowered a bit, there is quite a bit of body roll stock. who has the CW setup i read things on here bout that being good if u sold ur suspension...whats it running on now lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CJ Posted June 8, 2004 Author Share Posted June 8, 2004 Originally posted by whitesupraboy2 surely you'd want it lowered a bit, there is quite a bit of body roll stock. who has the CW setup i read things on here bout that being good if u sold ur suspension...whats it running on now :-p lol I have heard very good things about the CW suspension but that too costs around £1300 so is out of my budget. I have sold the kit and am "borrowing" a stock set up to tide me over. That will give me an opportunity to see what it's like as my car has never had a stcok set up since I bought it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitesupraboy2 Posted June 8, 2004 Share Posted June 8, 2004 i think your gonna have too much body roll for ur liking at stock. Dont get me wrong it is good,otherwise wouldnt be on the car, but lowering with the correct kit and front and rear struts and u have a more rigid car that likes to go round corners and can handle the bumps smoothly. I think theres too much body roll for my liking but my escort before hugged the road! Plus the weak point of the supra...going round corners...might as well get it right even if u have to sell the wife Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CJ Posted June 8, 2004 Author Share Posted June 8, 2004 Originally posted by whitesupraboy2 ...might as well get it right even if u have to sell the wife She went ages ago Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitesupraboy2 Posted June 8, 2004 Share Posted June 8, 2004 Originally posted by CJ She went ages ago ok time to lose a kid if u got 2 either that or do what some robbers done and rob a bank for 110,000 and take a 100,000 back coz u aint greedy hows the ride been so far stock or aint really pushed it yet? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dragonball Posted June 8, 2004 Share Posted June 8, 2004 Originally posted by CJ Without wishing to sound too numpty - what exactly does the stock set up consist of? Errr....basically four wheels attached to bits of the bodywork with a metal bit and springy thing... Just ask me m8... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CJ Posted June 8, 2004 Author Share Posted June 8, 2004 Originally posted by whitesupraboy2 ok time to lose a kid if u got 2 either that or do what some robbers done and rob a bank for 110,000 and take a 100,000 back coz u aint greedy hows the ride been so far stock or aint really pushed it yet? It isnt on yet. Hoping to get it sorted ove the w/e. I will then take some photos of it to swap for your mum (You must be so sorry you mentioned the madonna lookalike!) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CJ Posted June 8, 2004 Author Share Posted June 8, 2004 Originally posted by Paul E Errr....basically four wheels attached to bits of the bodywork with a metal bit and springy thing... Just ask me m8... Oi - dont get stroppy with me m8. Go and talk to your new mates on that other site Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick_TC Posted June 8, 2004 Share Posted June 8, 2004 Go for the full Tein EDFC, you know you like your gadgets, and at trade prices, it should be within budget. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SimonB Posted June 8, 2004 Share Posted June 8, 2004 Originally posted by whitesupraboy2 i think your gonna have too much body roll for ur liking at stock. Dont get me wrong it is good,otherwise wouldnt be on the car, but lowering with the correct kit and front and rear struts and u have a more rigid car that likes to go round corners and can handle the bumps smoothly. You might have a more rigid car, but that's not really what you want on a road. You need compliancy in suspension on the road to avoid it skipping over bumps as it runs out of travel and hits the bump stops. The jap spec suspension is already on the hard side for our bumpy roads. If you want to reduce body roll then anti-roll bars are the things to go for I would think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitesupraboy2 Posted June 8, 2004 Share Posted June 8, 2004 surely the idea of a aftermarket suspension set up (not just springs) is that it can have the harder,more rigid ride, whilst still being able to take the roughness british roads have to offer. Obviously theres got to be a bit of give and take. but ud have to drop ur wheel into a pot hole to get it to max out on travel, ur not dropping it 60mm like on saxos etc.... anyway not like many pot holes on british roads Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CJ Posted June 8, 2004 Author Share Posted June 8, 2004 Originally posted by SimonB You might have a more rigid car, but that's not really what you want on a road. You need compliancy in suspension on the road to avoid it skipping over bumps as it runs out of travel and hits the bump stops. The jap spec suspension is already on the hard side for our bumpy roads. If you want to reduce body roll then anti-roll bars are the things to go for I would think. I have already ordered a set of Whiteline anti roll bars for the front and rear so that should help on that score. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SimonB Posted June 8, 2004 Share Posted June 8, 2004 When you brake, the front of the car dips, which uses up some of the travel. Same when you're cornering for the outside wheels. With a lowered car there's not much left to soak up bumps. Aftermarket suspension isn't designed for UK roads. Toyota would have spent a huge amount of time and effort perfecting the spring rates, rebound rates etc etc. You can't just expect to come along with an aftermarket set of shocks and springs and do much better than that. If you just bung stiff dampers and springs on you'll ruin the handling IMO. On the track it's very different of course. There was an interesting article in Jap performance mag a couple of months ago about suspension compliancy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Wilson Posted June 8, 2004 Share Posted June 8, 2004 Originally posted by SimonB When you brake, the front of the car dips, which uses up some of the travel. Same when you're cornering for the outside wheels. With a lowered car there's not much left to soak up bumps. Aftermarket suspension isn't designed for UK roads. Toyota would have spent a huge amount of time and effort perfecting the spring rates, rebound rates etc etc. You can't just expect to come along with an aftermarket set of shocks and springs and do much better than that. If you just bung stiff dampers and springs on you'll ruin the handling IMO. On the track it's very different of course. There was an interesting article in Jap performance mag a couple of months ago about suspension compliancy. Totally agree, altering from stock is a compromise, I'd suggest forget lowering, go for stock springs and European Bilsteins. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CJ Posted June 8, 2004 Author Share Posted June 8, 2004 Originally posted by SimonB There was an interesting article in Jap performance mag a couple of months ago about suspension compliancy. Do you remember which issue? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SimonB Posted June 8, 2004 Share Posted June 8, 2004 Originally posted by CJ Do you remember which issue? It's in issue 38, March 04. It's got a red R32 Skyline on the front. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon F Posted June 8, 2004 Share Posted June 8, 2004 Originally posted by whitesupraboy2 surely the idea of a aftermarket suspension set up (not just springs) is that it can have the harder,more rigid ride, whilst still being able to take the roughness british roads have to offer. Obviously theres got to be a bit of give and take. but ud have to drop ur wheel into a pot hole to get it to max out on travel, ur not dropping it 60mm like on saxos etc.... Don't forget that the stiffer you go on damping and in roll, the more you are asking from your tyres. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Syed Shah Posted June 8, 2004 Share Posted June 8, 2004 Originally posted by whitesupraboy2 I think theres too much body roll for my liking but my escort before hugged the road! Plus the weak point of the supra...going round corners... The stock setup handles very well IMHO, though it is usually a bit tired. It tends not to go round corners too well thanks to the driver not the car. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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