add heywood Posted November 25, 2009 Share Posted November 25, 2009 Is it something you can do on your drive if you are competant enough or do you recommend a garage to do it? Any particular tricky bits? It all seems pretty straight forward tbh. Do they have to be shimmed once fitted? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tooquicktostop Posted November 25, 2009 Share Posted November 25, 2009 Yes they have to be shimmed, not a straight forward job to do right Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamieP Posted November 25, 2009 Share Posted November 25, 2009 Getting them shimmed right takes time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirk Posted November 25, 2009 Share Posted November 25, 2009 (edited) trying to think if theres someone i know in manchester .. Edited November 25, 2009 by Kirk (see edit history) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
add heywood Posted November 25, 2009 Author Share Posted November 25, 2009 Could a "normal garage" be able to do this or more a specialist? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tooquicktostop Posted November 25, 2009 Share Posted November 25, 2009 (edited) I would not trust a "normal" garage with a cam upgrade on a Supra, most mechanics have never worked on the Supra engine, I would get one of the respected traders on here to do it, what are you looking to do? you will need a remap after as well, also with the T88 if you are looking to release more power you may want to think about your stock engine and its life span, the T88 with more boost and 272 cams for example with be giving stock a engine a real workout Edited November 25, 2009 by tooquicktostop (see edit history) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirk Posted November 25, 2009 Share Posted November 25, 2009 drop rob wild a PM. He was saying there was a skyline guy who knows his stuff somewhere in the northwest i think Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trinitom Posted November 25, 2009 Share Posted November 25, 2009 i suppose this is only necessary when they are new cams right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamieP Posted November 25, 2009 Share Posted November 25, 2009 How far is Leicester from you? Im sure you could trust Ash at Garage 786. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
add heywood Posted November 25, 2009 Author Share Posted November 25, 2009 what are you looking to do? you will need a remap after as well, also with the T88 if you are looking to release more power you may want to think about your stock engine and its life span, the T88 with more boost and 272 cams for example with be giving stock a engine a real workout They are Brian Crower 264's. Was thinking of pushing things a little but not over the top, then in a year or 2 upgrade to a built engine (maybe one of these strokers Whifbitz are cooking up) i suppose this is only necessary when they are new cams right? They have about 3000 miles on them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Posted November 25, 2009 Share Posted November 25, 2009 Surely shimming the valves is just a case of measuring the clearance between the cam and the buckets using a set of feelers? Obviously the cams would need to be torqued correctly and in the right order but thats what the manual is for. I can't see it being difficult at all. You can check and double check a million times before firing the car to make sure its right. I might be over simplifying it though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
add heywood Posted November 25, 2009 Author Share Posted November 25, 2009 How far is Leicester from you? Im sure you could trust Ash at Garage 786. 114 miles one way Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tooquicktostop Posted November 25, 2009 Share Posted November 25, 2009 you will feel a difference with the T88 and 264's, the stock cams strangle the power at the top end, the T88 comes on so late you need as many RPM's as safe to get the best, a built head is going to be a must, uprated rods and ARP bolts should do it Or go for a more modern turbo, a fast spooling 550 BHP turbo feels quicker than a T88 IMO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
add heywood Posted November 25, 2009 Author Share Posted November 25, 2009 you will feel a difference with the T88 and 264's, the stock cams strangle the power at the top end, the T88 comes on so late you need as many RPM's as safe to get the best, a built head is going to be a must, uprated rods and ARP bolts should do it Or go for a more modern turbo, a fast spooling 550 BHP turbo feels quicker than a T88 IMO I keep thinking of upgrading turbo, maybe a t67 dbb. If I did I would want one that can hit about 750 bhp though for when I go built... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tooquicktostop Posted November 25, 2009 Share Posted November 25, 2009 I keep thinking of upgrading turbo, maybe a t67 dbb. If I did I would want one that can hit about 750 bhp though for when I go built... You wont get to 750 with a T67 mate A T51 will get there, I am sure someone will tell us which new fangled billet turbo will do that also, bit behind the times on those Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
add heywood Posted November 25, 2009 Author Share Posted November 25, 2009 You wont get to 750 with a T67 mate A T51 will get there, I am sure someone will tell us which new fangled billet turbo will do that also, bit behind the times on those Yeah, it's the age old drivability vs power question.... I would have thought the T51 would spool roughly the same time as the T88 though? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamieP Posted November 25, 2009 Share Posted November 25, 2009 I keep thinking of upgrading turbo, maybe a t67 dbb. If I did I would want one that can hit about 750 bhp though for when I go built... Im not sure a real 750bhp is even possible on road fuel, you would need much bigger than a T67. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tooquicktostop Posted November 25, 2009 Share Posted November 25, 2009 Yeah, it's the age old drivability vs power question.... I would have thought the T51 would spool roughly the same time as the T88 though? Never driven a T51 DBB, my T88 took an age to spool, even with the stroker kit, when it came on it was awesome, just never really get to use it as it demands such high RPM and a lot of clear road for the spool ! , a change to a T04Z made the car far faster, all be it down a little in power to 735 BHP Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tooquicktostop Posted November 25, 2009 Share Posted November 25, 2009 Im not sure a real 750bhp is even possible on road fuel, you would need much bigger than a T67. very very true Jamie, I have mentioned this before, we ran into issues on V Power at 1.8 bar, 735 BHP, fuel could give no more Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil-NA Posted November 25, 2009 Share Posted November 25, 2009 Im sure chorley street garage in bolton are more than upto doing the job if your not confident. Give Geoff a ring he is very helpfull Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
add heywood Posted November 25, 2009 Author Share Posted November 25, 2009 I just keep thinking if I go built in a year the T88 would really come into it's own. Does anyone know how much these turbo's can flow? (obviously with supporting mods) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
add heywood Posted November 25, 2009 Author Share Posted November 25, 2009 Im sure chorley street garage in bolton are more than upto doing the job if your not confident. Give Geoff a ring he is very helpfull Lol Chorley Street Massive... Do you know Geoff and Damo then? I was into my fords before I got the Supe. I know them both well Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamieP Posted November 25, 2009 Share Posted November 25, 2009 I just keep thinking if I go built in a year the T88 would really come into it's own. Does anyone know how much these turbo's can flow? (obviously with supporting mods) Unless running race fuel and a massive rpm limit i think you are wasting your time with the T88 tbh mate, have you ever been in a T67 car? i think you would be truly shocked at the difference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tooquicktostop Posted November 25, 2009 Share Posted November 25, 2009 I just keep thinking if I go built in a year the T88 would really come into it's own. Does anyone know how much these turbo's can flow? (obviously with supporting mods) You will be well into the 700's with high boost (1.8bar ish) and higher rev limit, it still comes on too late for me, you should try to blag a ride in one of the T67 cars on here, they may "only" make 600-640 but wow the power deliver is so quick and gives an almost unbeatable street car edit, Jamie beat me to it ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
add heywood Posted November 25, 2009 Author Share Posted November 25, 2009 Unless running race fuel and a massive rpm limit i think you are wasting your time with the T88 tbh mate, have you ever been in a T67 car? i think you would be truly shocked at the difference. I haven't mate, only single Ive been in is my own. Although I did see how quick yours was when we were coming out of JAE lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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