Avon ZZ3s Vs Michelin Pilot Sport

Just had a new set of boots fitted on the supe.

£410 bought me 4 x new 19inch Avon ZZ3s (235 front and 265 rear) thats a great price off e-bay and a mate fitted them for £10per corner so £450 for all 4 fitted . One word of warning though, its difficult getting 4 x 19s inside a supe to get them to the garage to be fitted, and you have to be careful not to mark any of the interior when doing so.

Previously i had michelin pilot sports on, and although i know im not comparing like for like (as the Avons are new and the Michelins had about 2 to 3mm left on them), the Avons grip much better.

Have to say im surprised as i thought the pilot sports even when worn would give good grip because they are so expensive when new, but i have to say that today in the dry i got much better grip.

All in all im very happy, next stop full alignment at Elite Wheels:d

Theres mixed reports of the avons mate a lot of people dont rate them at all. I have the same as you and size and i find them a very good tyre even in the wet. I suppose i depends what kind of power your running but they do great for bpu imo!

avon's here and I like them. I've used them on my previous two cars at one time or another and they've been pretty good for the money.

I tried them on my BPU 6spd and then later on the single, they were not good at all, especially when used on the front. There was no where near as much dry weather grip as Eagle F1's. The difference was extremely noticable and even my mechanic commented on it when he drove the car after the new Avons went on.

ZZ3's are a budget tyre, so it's what you'd expect really.

I found them to be ok when I had them on my NA. Though I now prefer Falkens.

Eagle F1s all the way for me........ then Michelins 2nd choice.

Oh and speed and Jspec brakes:rolleyes:

Oh and speed and Jspec brakes:rolleyes:

Do you think eagle F1's would have prevented that train wreck? What the hell did you hit, a (titanium)lampost or something?

Those pics always scare me Dave.

Ouch! Not a nice thing to see............ I think that looks faster than tyres alone could have prevented.....

That is brake fade/ trying to steer and sliding hitting the curb and then a tree. Taking the tree out of the ground and snapping it in half. Of course all at 40mph

There was no where near as much dry weather grip as Eagle F1's. The difference was extremely noticable

 

ZZ3's are a budget tyre, so it's what you'd expect really.

I tried them on my BPU 6spd and then later on the single, they were not good at all, especially when used on the front. There was no where near as much dry weather grip as Eagle F1's. The difference was extremely noticable and even my mechanic commented on it when he drove the car after the new Avons went on.

 

ZZ3's are a budget tyre, so it's what you'd expect really.

Maybe so, but compared to the michelins with 2 to 3mm left they are much better and thats surprised me a lot.

I always knew that new tyres were better than worn ones, but i thought that if they were worn and legal they would always have similar grip levels.

When does grip start to tail off when tyres wear down ? and by what percentage does grip decrease from a new vs worn but legal tyre ?

Is that a good price for Avon's?

A set of falkens 452's in those sizes would come in at £450ish

I always knew that new tyres were better than worn ones, but i thought that if they were worn and legal they would always have similar grip levels.

Tyres vary wildly in compounds, tread pattern etc depending upon the application (car/weather). Some tyres suit cars better than others.

This is why you shouldn't listen to any mates with front wheel euro boxes that rave about a certain tyre - the fatter, heavier RWD Supra will be utterly different.

Have a read up on tyre technology - it's quite incredible what thought goes into some round black rubber things.

Is that a good price for Avon's?

A set of falkens 452's in those sizes would come in at £450ish

Yes, a very good price apparently. My mate fits tyres at a local garage and he says his company cant even buy the tyres for that price, let alone sell them at that price.

I tried them on my BPU 6spd and then later on the single, they were not good at all, especially when used on the front. There was no where near as much dry weather grip as Eagle F1's. The difference was extremely noticable and even my mechanic commented on it when he drove the car after the new Avons went on.

 

ZZ3's are a budget tyre, so it's what you'd expect really.

Im clearly not driving my car hard enough then!