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which one ?????? Discuss please !!!!;)
Dude:flame Dev
out of which options?
i'd do toyota stuff, but yr not using the borgwarner box r u?
Fishy bait......... not biting!:p
Originally posted by dude
which one ?????? Discuss please !!!!;)
Dude:flame Dev
Type T-II as per the manual?
Terminator
11-02-04, 23:15
Try adding II
Originally posted by mcanny
Type T-II as per the manual?
Exactly my point , when the supra came out type IV didnt exist and type II was the stuff to use , so why do we pay 4 times as much for type IV .
Dude:flame Dev
Interesting stuff, I was just on my other PC and the owners manual was next to it - so you are saying that the manual is wrong due to it being a bit out of date and there is a type IV to use now?
I want mine changing because I don't believe that Toyota did it when I had my last major service so it's good to know which one I should be getting my chap to put in.
Screwup that I can't seem to delete - please ignore
Its just everyone says 'You must use Type IV ' but when the sup came out there was no type IV , the reason im interested is that due to the way i use the car i have an issue with excess heat in the box !!! , there is no allternative to type IV(synthetic wise ) but i believe there is to type II , so what gives , the Toyota manual says Type II but these days everyone says type IV (BTW i still use Type IV in customers cars ) just like to say theres so many scare posts it would be good to know the truth :D
Dude:flame Dev
Terminator
11-02-04, 23:56
Sounds like you need a bigger cooler not a different fluid.
I thought the issue was Toyota don’t make type II anymore and some dealers were saying they would use type III as part of the service. AFAIK Type II and III are not compatible with certain seals, so it shortens box life. Hence the must use Type IV comments.
Type II dexron at Halfords ...... cheap as chips ..... i have 3 coolers .... and a heavy right foot :)
Dude:flame Dev
there was some technical update that overruled the handbook tII type, that explained why. its on here somewhere and there was also that blue balls thing.
Originally posted by eyefi
there was some technical update that overruled the handbook tII type, that explained why. its on here somewhere and there was also that blue balls thing.
So if i drink it my balls will go blue and some dipstick at Toyota thought this will earn a few quid lets tell em they need this new oil !!!!!
So before Type IV they kept breaking transmissions ..... NOT
Dude:flame Dev
Dude, out of curiosity.. those Tranny coolers passive or are you running some electric fans over them?
Originally posted by Supraguy
Dude, out of curiosity.. those Tranny coolers passive or are you running some electric fans over them?
2 X tube and fin no fan
1 X bar and plate with 8" fan connected to thermo switch .
Dude:flame Dev
I would reccomend Type T IV. This is what we use in our built transmissions and have had no problems so far. :)
MONKEYmark
13-02-04, 08:13
Originally posted by Kean
I would reccomend Type T IV. This is what we use in our built transmissions and have had no problems so far. :) is this the kean form BL fame
welcome to the board
Originally posted by MONKEYmark
is this the kean form BL fame
welcome to the board
Seems like it.....
Hi Kean, what brings you over here???:D
Originally posted by Terry S
Seems like it.....
Hi Kean, what brings you over here???:D
The Internet !!!!!!!!
Dude:flame Dev
Originally posted by dude
The Internet !!!!!!!!
Dude:flame Dev
Dude, the Basil Brush of Supras......
Hi.
Terry and Mark.
This is Kean from BL =)
Randy told me about the website so i was just browsing around and checking it out.
Originally posted by Terry S
Dude, the Basil Brush of Supras......
BOOM BOOM !!!:D
Dude:flame Dev
Originally posted by Kean
Hi.
Terry and Mark.
This is Kean from BL =)
Randy told me about the website so i was just browsing around and checking it out.
Hi Kean and welcome to the BBS :thumbs:
Dude:flame Dev
Going back to the subject of auto fluid, I have been sold some Valvoline type D ATF by Fensport, is this the same stuff as the typeIV?
AFAIK there is no allternative to the type IV and you can only get it from Toyota (i bought a case of it) but in an emergency i would use Dexron II .
Dude:flame Dev
Originally posted by Jason
Going back to the subject of auto fluid, I have been sold some Valvoline type D ATF by Fensport, is this the same stuff as the typeIV?
Fensport are supposed to know their stuff , give em a ring and tell em the reasons you are worried and let us know what they say !!:thumbs:
Dude:flame Dev
I did show my concern when I bought it, but they said that they use the equivalent oil in all their own manual gearboxes in all their cars. They said that it gives a really smooth gearchange, but I'm not sure if they have ever used it in a Supra auto gearbox.
If it helps, the instructions on the bottle say "for use in all transmissions where a DEXRON IID fluid is specified". Does that shed any more light?
Originally posted by Jason
I did show my concern when I bought it, but they said that they use the equivalent oil in all their own manual gearboxes in all their cars. They said that it gives a really smooth gearchange, but I'm not sure if they have ever used it in a Supra auto gearbox.
That sounds a bit worrying !!!!:(
Dude:flame Dev
Originally posted by Jason
If it helps, the instructions on the bottle say "for use in all transmissions where a DEXRON IID fluid is specified". Does that shed any more light?
That sounds less worrying :blink:
I would phone them and explain that this is a VERY expensive transmission to trash and see if they still tell you to put it in then get it in writing .
dude:flame Dev
Just stick with the Type TIV from toyota. It's only $~30 for a box of 12, 1 quart bottles.
My Supras autobox has always had Castrol SAF-XJ according to some papers one of the the previous owners sent along...and i CERTAINLY wont recomend using that...as i had the 'NOT-Toyota-TypeIV-oil-sound' ematating from the box...until i switched to Type IV....the sound is now gone and has been for well over 6 months now... ;)
My manual (that came from a late model UK-spec) says to use ATF Dextron II...
@lpher
Originally posted by Kean
Just stick with the Type TIV from toyota. It's only $~30 for a box of 12, 1 quart bottles.
Kean we get stung for £45 for a gallon !!!!
Dude:flame Dev
You can only use T-IV in your boxes (or its equivalent, which there are some available).
Your boxes were designed for T-II (apart from the n/a which i belive uses dexII), yet T-II was superceeded by T-IV, its basically the same stuff but with a different name... the only difference being that the new T-IV (brought out in may last year) is compatible with both dexII and t-II boxes and fluids, however that doesnt apply to the mkiv box as it uses t-II anyway.
SO !! Dont bung anything else in, use T-IV... you'll all be glad tohear they've recently revised it yet again and the price has gone up to £63 for four litres :D , meaning that for a complete flush youre looking at £250 :D
Like i say, there are alternatives to T-IV which match or exceed its properties.. one i think made by amsoil? not sure.
Originally posted by adi-mkiii
Like i say, there are alternatives to T-IV which match or exceed its properties.. one i think made by amsoil? not sure.
Just bringing this one back to life - did anyone ever discover what these alternatives are?
I've got a call logged with Shell to see what lubricants they have to offer for the MKIV but I'm still waiting for them.
At the moment I'm getting a bit of a smell from the car and if I have it in manu mode and give it some stick the main warning light appears - I'm thinking that Toyota didn't do the flush and replace I requested when the car was serviced last August and now the car needs some TLC :( Hopefully I haven't damaged anything in the meantime!
Hi guy's,
not posted before but been an avid 'watcher' - thought I'd join in after reading the auto fluid discussions and suffering from the ticky noises ....
Phoned my local Lexus dealer in Cambridge, they stated the type IV fluid is no longer under part number 08886-81015, but have the same stuff in 5L tubs for approx £45.
Anyone else found this.... ?
Steve , correct now comes in 5 litre containers
Dude:flame Dev
Originally posted by adi-mkiii
Like i say, there are alternatives to T-IV which match or exceed its properties.. one i think made by amsoil? not sure.
i had some auto box issues, where the box was overfilled by some local "experts" so i decided to bite the bullet and take it to an auto box specialist some miles away (preston), and i'me glad i did, these guys did auto box servicing and repairs and that was it not even manual boxs, i was worried about the type 4 fluid but the guy there knew exactly what i was talking about and said he could get it but it was expensive, or put an equivalent in that was about half the price, in his words there was no big mystery about the fluid or the box, toyota have'nt reinvented the auto box and its just standard practice that car manufactures want you to buy their stuff as opposed to blogs brand, my advice if in doubt take it to a reputable specialist, who are pulling the things apart on a daily basis as they know what they are talking about.
Terminator
12-05-04, 22:47
:baa: :baa:
Hmmm very interesting.
I am sure Chris Wilson has a contact who is considerto be a top expert on auto boxes and his advice was to stick with T- IV. AFAIR
As a new box or a rebuild is going to cost mega bucks, saving £20 a change by using an alterbnative that MIGHT be OK is not worth it IMHO. I can't see what all the fuss is about.
Anyone want any £3 plugs for a MKIV:flame Dev
Thanks Dude,
Good point Paul - I'll try and find someone near me who's a box specialist ( If anyone knows someone near Cambridge I'd be interested... )
Terminator,
Don't care so much about cost - it's wasting time and effort when someone could just be saying the right thing to get a sale.....
How many plugs you got for sale
:cool:
Just out of curiosity, what quantities of the type IV do you need to fill from dry?
:thumbs:
It seems by looking at most of the threads on the BB about fluids. I think I will try and get my stuff from Toyota. Would anyone agree or disagree with that statement? ......... :respekt:
Gearbox fluid - whether it's an auto or manual - its safest to stick with Toyota.
But the dealers won't always know which of thier oil range you should have so be specific. arm yourself with a part no. and you can't go too wrong.
Thank mate you made a good valid point there. Will certainly go armed with that info. Cheers Alex .... :respekt:
Anyone used the Motul Gear 300 ?
The Hornet
04-01-05, 17:29
I did quite a bit of research regarding the ATF and had lengthy discussions with Simon at Opie oils and Millers oil. They said if they could find out what was in the Type IV they could recommend an alternative but both companies have tried for months and months to no avail :( as Toyota wont give out it's spec's.
After all the research I did it, I was told by the other companies to stick with the Type IV until they come up with some facts which they have not to date.
I went to my Toyota dealer who knew nothing about Type IV or Supra's to that matter so as usual I just rang Envy performance and they had the stuff in stock :D Cheap too!
Terminator
20-10-05, 23:42
The MKIV auto box uses TYPEIV ATF.
Just reactivating this old thread, so new members see it. TYPEIV ATF is only available from Lexus dealerships AFAIK.
There are a lot of garages out there who will stick DextronIII in the MKIV box including some Toyota dealerships. You have been warned. Putting anything else in your auto box could be very expensive.
And an even older thread
http://www.mkivsupra.net/vbb/showthread.php?t=6458&highlight=TypeIV+ATF
The MKIV auto box uses TYPEIV ATF.
Just reactivating this old thread, so new members see it. TYPEIV ATF is only available from Lexus dealerships AFAIK.
There are a lot of garages out there who will stick DextronIII in the MKIV box including some Toyota dealerships. You have been warned. Putting anything else in your auto box could be very expensive.
And an even older thread
http://www.mkivsupra.net/vbb/showthread.php?t=6458&highlight=TypeIV+ATFjust to reiterate what termy said the ONLY fluid for the auto box is genuine Mr Toyota type 4, any toyota dealer will get it for you as long as you give em the part number
TYPEIV ATF is only available from Lexus dealerships AFAIK.
I (well, my Mrs) got 5 Litres of Type IV from my local Toyota dealer. Took 24 hours to get it in. It was about £40
Details in attached pic
I (well, my Mrs) got 5 Litres of Type IV from my local Toyota dealer. Took 24 hours to get it in. It was about £40
Details in attached pic
nice to see we agree on something Jake LOL
nice to see we agree on something Jake LOL Yeah well, I'm not pissed yet mate.
Try me again in an hour
:p
I have been using Type 4 Dextron fron Castrol for 20k hard miles and no issues. It was £14 for 4.4L
Exactly my point , when the supra came out type IV didnt exist and type II was the stuff to use , so why do we pay 4 times as much for type IV .
Dude:flame Dev
HI Guys!. I got my Auto box changed this week at toyota, and insisted on IV.
They had to order this in specially. Total cost £70.00 fitted.
She runs smooth as silk!!!!!
Chris Wilson
21-10-05, 20:46
If you look at the auto box disptick on early model UK MIV TT's most say Type II .... This debate could run and run.... :)
veilsideTT
21-10-05, 20:57
I have been using Type 4 Dextron fron Castrol for 20k hard miles and no issues. It was £14 for 4.4L
:yeahthat:
I had mine done the other day at my Toyota dealer, genuine toyota type IV 5L for £28.20 inc VAT. You gota love getting on well with the dealer.
Also did me a fuel filter for £28.20 too and fitted both in with the 'A type' service labour of 60+vat.
So all in all I paid just under £150 all in for a 'A' service, supply/fit fuel filter and supply/change gearbox oil (I've got the unused ammount ofcourse), can't grumble with that can I chaps? Supplied my own engine oil courtesy of Opie oils :woot:
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