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far
24-01-04, 15:24
As some of you know my babys gone to the supra graveyard in the sky.

On a straight bit of the M25(just passed clacket lane) doing a steady speed - not overtaking,and in 6th gear

The rain was quite bad and I either aquaplained (sp?) or hit oil / diesel I think.Strange thing is in my experience when I have aquaplained before you feel it on the steering whel first - this time there was nothing the back end just started sliding,tried to correct it but obviously not well enough.Hit the back end first then the car span 90 degrees hit the front end,did a spin and the car came to a stop.Loads of people stopped and we got out without a scratch on us.We all went to the hardshoulder and cars slowly went passed - it was pitch black with no lights one Ford Ka came flying passed and clipped the supe one more time for good measure - but we where out of the car by then - he braked hard and his front end is smashed up.

The shell of the supra is undamaged,the block is fine too but its a defo a right off.

gutted but glad me & Matt(my passenger) came out ok - I wouldnt have been able to live with myself if anything happened to him.

Please see members only section - I have a few questions:thumbs:

Thanks to all who have posted up in ashes thread earlier - I am very touched by your comments

Bobbeh
24-01-04, 15:42
Yeah, sorry to hear this m8, glad you're ok though, fight on :thumbs:

Barney
24-01-04, 15:46
Sorry to hear the Sup's a write off, but glad you both walked away. Keep your chin up.

baldy
24-01-04, 21:08
far gutted for ya mate

you had rltc i think i remember any chance of getting it off the car?

sorry too be a volture,but would be interested if you can

cheers baldy


oh are you gona get another supra?
think you should if the insurance dont go tho the roof

Justin
24-01-04, 23:14
Jees mate. Really sorry. Can't say any more than that. :(

Terminator
24-01-04, 23:43
So sorry to hear of your misfortune. Glad that the two of you were OK. Thats the important thing. The rest money will sort out.

Steve Cargill
25-01-04, 10:24
Originally posted by far
Strange thing is in my experience when I have aquaplained before you feel it on the steering whel first - this time there was nothing the back end just started sliding,tried to correct it but obviously not well enough.

How much tread on the back tyres? When I 1st got mine the rears wore down a lot quicker than I expected :eek: :eek:

There is a section of the A1M just South of Peterborough when it was raining heavily even at a very steady 60MPH in a staight line the car felt on a knife edge, the back end was twitching badly. I had pretty good fronts and poor rears.

far
25-01-04, 12:23
The fronts are 3 months old the rears are old but still legal.thanks for the kind comments everyone.

As for getting another soop - well I wasnt protected so looks like it will rocket my insurance beyond me being able to justify paying out the cash + I get married in May and buy a new house so not sure yet,will see what the insurance say.

Baldy - RLTC is getting taken out but I have already had a few offers - youre on 2nd refusal

Sharpie
25-01-04, 13:03
Sorry to hear of the crash but, glad you are OK.

I hope it all works out for you.

AJI
25-01-04, 15:24
Will you be able to keep your written off supra? You may be able to break it and get a fair bit of pay back.
Commiserations all the same.
Time to buy a new one eh?

Terminator
25-01-04, 18:24
Just for info, what make were your rear tyres.
You said old, how old?

My Car came with old YOKO rubber still lots of tread but absolutely lethal on roads with any standing water.

SkyJawa
25-01-04, 20:29
Far mate :( Gutted for you bud :(

Glad you and your mate were all ok and that it didn't sound like a major one :) But what a shame another MKIV has gone to the graveyard :(

Take it easy dude, and if I can do owt to help, just gimmie a shout.

BTW - YA GOTTA GET ANOTHER ;) :D

Andyp
25-01-04, 20:52
unlucky far.. must totally suck.. bloody ford ka's too ;)

Hope you get another one soon! There's lots of lonely ones in Japan unloved and lonely in the import yards that need a good home :D

best of luck with it all! :(

Matt B
25-01-04, 20:59
Far,
What can I say mate. I'm absolutely gutted for you mate!!:(
It's good to hear you and Matt were okay, I did not even get to see your new Vielside kit on it yet.

I hope the insurers don't muck you about and pay you a decent price... I know what they can be like. The terms Blood and Stone come to mind.

I really am sad for you dude.:cry: I was looking forward to many more runs down from Redhill together...
If you need any help with anything, even if it's a lift around you just let me know.

Cheers and good luck

Matt B

Syed Shah
25-01-04, 21:18
Sorry to hear this. Hope it all goes well with the insurers. Atleast your both ok.

All the best

far
25-01-04, 21:36
Aww guys thanks for your kind words - I really have a lump in my throat reading all these kind words


TERMY - the rear tyres ARE Yokos which came stock from Japan - Yokohoma decibel DB's,may also have been a spot of diesel or something on the road,the strange thing is I wasnt giving it WOT and I wasnt on a bend and I wasnt even changing lanes.

Aquaplaning gives heavy feedback to the steering wheel as you enter the wet patch in my experience and the steering wheel goes heavy,this didnt happen the back end just started saling away out of the blue - maybe it was something mechanical that went wrong ? Who knows.

LeeT
25-01-04, 21:50
when you say your tyres were stock from japan, were they speed rated as many arent and may have an effect on your insurance

far
25-01-04, 22:15
Im pretty sure they where Z rated but cant say for definate - im going to be going back to the Yard tommorow so will check - just hope the assesor isnt too picky and just mainly there to say the car is a write off and work out how much they are gonna pay.

Suprash
26-01-04, 10:33
Mate, gutted for ya........it was only a few weeks I saw you in it... :(

albundy68
26-01-04, 11:05
gutted to hear about your accident far, dont accept your ins comps first offer, they allways try and rip you off!

insurance might not be as terrible as you think, if you had full NCB it'll go to 3 years, rather than you loosing the lot, even if you werent protected, this is like a 10-20% rise,

the real hikes come if you get any trouble with the law over the accident!!!! :eek:

far
26-01-04, 22:23
Originally posted by albundy68
gutted to hear about your accident far, dont accept your ins comps first offer, they allways try and rip you off!

insurance might not be as terrible as you think, if you had full NCB it'll go to 3 years, rather than you loosing the lot, even if you werent protected, this is like a 10-20% rise,

the real hikes come if you get any trouble with the law over the accident!!!! :eek:

Thanks mate - well te police said they aint taking it any further,so hopefully with what you have said,I may still be able to get a supa sooner than I though,will see


Ash(W) - I know dude - its gutting - will be back at the meets real soon though (crosses fingers)

Steve W2
27-01-04, 09:00
Mate, sorry to hear the news, you car looked real good at the meet as well.

Glad that you and your mate are okay. Hope you get it sorted and get decent money for your Supe:confused:

Doughie
27-01-04, 12:01
Originally posted by far
Aww guys thanks for your kind words - I really have a lump in my throat reading all these kind words


TERMY - the rear tyres ARE Yokos which came stock from Japan - Yokohoma decibel DB's,may also have been a spot of diesel or something on the road,the strange thing is I wasnt giving it WOT and I wasnt on a bend and I wasnt even changing lanes.

Aquaplaning gives heavy feedback to the steering wheel as you enter the wet patch in my experience and the steering wheel goes heavy,this didnt happen the back end just started saling away out of the blue - maybe it was something mechanical that went wrong ? Who knows.

Sounds to me like just straight forward aquaplaning on the rear axle. usually the fronts will aquaplane first, but if the rears were lower than the fronts (and you say they were) and with the Supra it's rear-light anyway, plus the rear tyres are wider than the fronts. Wider tyres aquaplane more easily than narrower ones. (Oh one thing - usually when the fronts aquaplane, the steering should get lighter not heavier, as essentially the tyres just in contact with a thin film of water, and not tarmac any longer so there's hardly any resistance on the wheel.

you'd only need to be giving it a little bit of throttle to push it over the edge on a wet road with low-treaded rears, and once a heavy car like the Supe is out-of-shape you have to be v quick to catch it. i'd imagine spinning on a wet motorway at night is a deeply scary experience !!

RLTC can't ADD traction, it can only use the traction available efficiently and if there's little tread on a wet road at speed then ...

Chase
30-01-04, 18:41
Sh*t mate! not been on for a bit and just read this. Well gutted for ya:(

Angie
30-01-04, 23:42
Sorry to hear about this mate.

Brian (My other half, Soop Dogg on this site) wrote off our Supe recently. Still waiting to get the insurance sorted out.

Hooper (I think) on this site wrote off his 1995 TT with 120,000 miles on it. I think he got 12k back for it.

Hope this helps,

keep your chin up. We'll see you at a meet sometime this year when we get another car., if not we might bump into each other in the dealerships looking at prospective purchases!
:)

far
01-02-04, 13:14
Originally posted by Angie
Sorry to hear about this mate.

Brian (My other half, Soop Dogg on this site) wrote off our Supe recently. Still waiting to get the insurance sorted out.

Hooper (I think) on this site wrote off his 1995 TT with 120,000 miles on it. I think he got 12k back for it.

Hope this helps,

keep your chin up. We'll see you at a meet sometime this year when we get another car., if not we might bump into each other in the dealerships looking at prospective purchases!
:)

Thanks Angie thats re-assuring,I hope everything works out ok for us - Insurance can be a PITA and I really want this sorted and resolved asap - I hate it hanging over me :(

Only time will tell.Should have some news next week

Earthrokka
01-02-04, 13:37
Sorry man .. glad u r ok ..

tDR
01-02-04, 20:41
Sorry to read this far :(

Hope all goes well with the insurance etc.

My veilside has Bridgestone 'Grid' tyres on it................... came like that from Japan. You'd expect Bridgestone's to be sticky but these have far less grip than the Kumho 712's that were on my last supra. I can get sideways at 80mph when the 2nd turbo comes in with these, when it's slightly damp. Such a hard compound. Could feel the difference when launching on the strip too.

paulfurn
02-02-04, 11:44
Jesus mate, absolutely gutted for you - I know how much that meant to you.

Glad your okay, and hope insurance etc works out for you mate.

Gutted. :(

far
02-02-04, 12:27
Thanks guys hopefully I will be back sooner,rather than later.:(

Matt B
02-02-04, 12:48
Hope so dude. Good Luck, let me know how you get on.
Cheers
:cool: