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Matt Harwood
22-01-04, 10:54
Window Tinting - Amendments to Legislation

During the early part of 2004, Section 32 of the Road Vehicles (Construction and Use) Regulations will be amended to include “Window Tint Films”, where such materials attached to the glass are capable of reducing the Visible Light Transmission of forward windows to below prescribed levels. These changes will be back-dated to become applicable from 1st January 2004.
This will effectively ban virtually all tinted films fitted to windows forward of the B-Post on any vehicle that is to be driven on UK roads.

The reason for these changes is the recent proliferation of vehicles that are excessively tinted. Some vehicles may be so heavily tinted that they present a real danger when used on public roads. The action being taken by the Government follows a fatality that occurred recently where a heavily tinted car was involved in a collision with a motorcycle and the window tints were held to blame due to the vision of the driver being impaired.
There is however, a recognised difference between “light window tints” which may be considered safe for road use and “excessively dark window tints” which are not.

There has also been a great deal of debate in recent years about the legitimacy of window tints that do not obscure the vision of the driver. A clear case has been argued that road-safe window tints do not actually conflict with existing regulations. The Department for Transport have argued however that Section 32 was always intended to cover materials attached to the glass, despite the fact that no mention of this is made in the Regulation itself.

The only solution remaining would be to amend the Legislation.
Consequently and in order to clarify the situation, the Government have finally decided to up-date the Regulations to specifically include Tinted Films since, in the view of the Police and the Department for Transport, this is the only way in which the problems of excessive tints can be remedied.

Unfortunately however, even tint films that may be considered to be safe for road use will now be viewed as in conflict with the Regulations, enabling the Police and Vehicle Inspectorate to take action against vehicle owners.

This has significant implications for the owners of vehicles that have window tints already fitted and also those that are responsible for installing or selling window tints.

Implications for the vehicle owner

After much discussion, a sympathetic Enforcement Policy has been agreed between the Department for Transport and The Glass and Glazing Federation to ensure that all vehicle owners that have had tints applied in the past may be dealt with fairly. This applies in particular where the infringement is with respect to tints that do not pose a significant threat to Road Safety, despite being in contravention with the amended Regulations.
In any event, after the date of the amendment to Section 32, the owner of a vehicle that has window tints applied forward of the B-Post could be challenged by either a Police Officer or by an Inspector from the Department for Transport’s Vehicle Inspectorate, where their vehicle is noticed being driven on Public Roads.

Where such a vehicle is stopped and the window tints applied are such that the Visible Light Transmission level, when measured using an approved device falls to below prescribed levels, the following enforcement guidelines have been agreed with, and recommended, by the Government.
Above 30% Visible Light Transmission (Less Severe Window Tints)
The owner or driver of such a vehicle would be required to have the tinted film removed from the windows under the direction of either a Rectification Notice or a Delayed Prohibition Notice. A period of grace will apply for a limited number of days (normally ten) during which time the vehicle may be driven whilst the rectification work is to be completed.

In either case, the vehicle will need to be inspected by either a Police Officer or Vehicle Inspectorate Officer to confirm that the glass has been restored to a compliant condition. Prosecution is unlikely in such circumstances provided the vehicle owner complies fully.

Action that needs to be taken

All Businesses that have supplied window tints forward of the B-Post are being encouraged by the Government and the Glass and Glazing Federation to contact all of their previous customers to inform them of the changes to Legislation and to offer them a chance to have their vehicle rectified by having the front tints removed.



I got this from Pentagons website. As yet, neither us or our tinting company, (Toad Securfix/Tint Technology), have had anything official to inform us of this, but I'm sure it'll come sooner or later...

I love our government! :mad:

Adam W
22-01-04, 10:57
So . . . no tinting at all is allowed? :conf:

Matt Harwood
22-01-04, 11:08
Apparently, nothing before the B pillar.

michael
22-01-04, 11:10
That's terrible news - so I basically might have to remove the tints on the front windows and make my car look stupid :( I can see perfectly well out of mine as I only have a light smoke finish but by the sound of it that doesn't matter anymore :(

hey everyone, lets all stop and point at the illegal car (http://www.megaboost.co.uk/supra/mine/jae2003/DCP_3107.JPG) - there is no hope for me now with tints and a slightly smaller front plate :mad:

They get more like Nazi's by the day :twak:

SkyJawa
22-01-04, 11:15
Bugger, and not I guess. Mine came over from Japan tinted, quite dark too as I struggle to make out cars in the rear view sometimes. But this tint is only on the rear window and rear small side windows. I like this as it makes it real hard to see in the back/boot for thieves etc. However my fronts are still normal, and I was gonna get them done in light smoke. Guess this has just saved me some money - and put Matt out of a sale :p ;)

Supraguy
22-01-04, 11:21
Way I read it, is if its already been done it just needs to meet that 30% criteria when tested by an officer.


In any event, after the date of the amendment to Section 32, the owner of a vehicle that has window tints applied forward of the B-Post could be challenged by either a Police Officer or by an Inspector from the Department for Transport’s Vehicle Inspectorate, where their vehicle is noticed being driven on Public Roads.

Where such a vehicle is stopped and the window tints applied are such that the Visible Light Transmission level, when measured using an approved device falls to below prescribed levels, the following enforcement guidelines have been agreed with, and recommended, by the Government.
Above 30% Visible Light Transmission (Less Severe Window Tints). The owner or driver of such a vehicle would be required to have the tinted film removed from the windows under the direction of either a Rectification Notice or a Delayed Prohibition Notice.


Think I read that right?

:conf:

michael
22-01-04, 11:26
I should have read it twice :)

So I might be OK, might not, depending on how dirty the windows are and how nasty the tester is feeling....

Fingers crossed and sponge at the ready!

Marco
22-01-04, 11:56
Originally posted by mcanny


hey everyone, lets all stop and point at the illegal car (http://www.megaboost.co.uk/supra/mine/jae2003/DCP_3107.JPG)

LOL thats me in the background taking a picture :)

Bad news about the tints though :twak:

Sharpie
22-01-04, 12:17
Ar$e!

I got mine done at Pentagon.

I hate the half done look......looks like it's back to stock then.

I had the smoke done not light smoke so, I'm sure it's below the 30%

:mad: :mad: :mad:

Cheers for the heads up Matt. He is a nice chap :)

toyotasuprauk
22-01-04, 12:37
I don't like the half done look. From quickly reading that it appears the rears can be as dark as you like its just the front windows that have to be 30%.

I was thinking about getting mine done soon but was a bit worried about visibility at night. If its going to cause a lot of hassle I probably wont bother now.

I bet there are lots of happy window tinting companies now!

Rob
22-01-04, 13:14
Still plenty of work available from limousine companies.

I think I side with the police here, especially after what happened up the road here a few weeks ago ( the copper shooting in Leeds).
If I was stopping a lairy car, I would want to able to see inside it as I approached from any angle.

Whitesupraboy2
22-01-04, 14:25
well ok what about the merc's and BMW's that come with windows already tinted!!!

if i was gonna have mine tinted i would have a light blue tint like you can get on some merc's i think it would prob look good on a white car:)

BigRoy
22-01-04, 14:47
We went through all this with tinted visors on bikes! FFS why not just say its because we want to see who's inside not the bolloxs about safety.

Err Sunglasses anybody!

We the blairs wish to inform all sunglass wearers that it is now illegal to drive with them on. Please return your glasses to Boots where the tint can be removed. We will not be liable for the burning out of your retina!

Thankyou

God

GavinL
22-01-04, 15:12
I saw a car last week with the front windscreen (along with the rest of the car) so heavily tinted I could hardly tell that there was anyone in it.

Unfortunately is the small minority of people who take the piss and spoil it for reasonable majority

GavinL
22-01-04, 15:15
Originally posted by BigRoy

Err Sunglasses anybody!



You can take sunglasses off at night. You can't remove tints when driving down unlit country roads at night.

The Flash
22-01-04, 16:32
:) :) :) Sorry - Hi Jack Alert :) :) :)

Matt - trying to PM and cant get through. If you read this - would like to order the Sony Unit.........

Again - sorry everyone else for the blatant intruding - although I was planning on some tints for my Motor, but dont personally like the half finished look - so thats some money saved for another day!!

Flash

Digsy
22-01-04, 17:50
Originally posted by BigRoy
We the blairs wish to inform all sunglass wearers that it is now illegal to drive with them on.

I may be wrong, but I believe that technically this is actually true! :(

Matt B
22-01-04, 23:40
You can take sunglasses off at night. You can't remove tints when driving down unlit country roads at night.

You can always wind down your windows when needed...:D

Rob
23-01-04, 00:00
This applies to surface applied film, does it not?

A body tint within the laminate would be exempt then.

trooper
23-01-04, 07:38
I can see where they're coming from with this law. My car had heavy tint on the rear hatch and the little lights behind the B pillar. I have to admit I could'nt see jack out the back, even in the day. I had the hatch tint removed and I feel a lot safer. I'll take the tint away from the rear lights when I get around to it.

BigRoy
23-01-04, 09:14
Originally posted by GavinL
You can take sunglasses off at night. You can't remove tints when driving down unlit country roads at night.

Ray Charles, Stevie Wonder? LOL!:D

osso
27-01-04, 14:28
Originally posted by HISUPE
Bugger, and not I guess. Mine came over from Japan tinted, quite dark too as I struggle to make out cars in the rear view sometimes. But this tint is only on the rear window and rear small side windows. I like this as it makes it real hard to see in the back/boot for thieves etc. However my fronts are still normal, and I was gonna get them done in light smoke. Guess this has just saved me some money - and put Matt out of a sale :p ;)

sounds like you're exactly in the same situation as me, my car also came from jap land with dark tints at the rear view, i also struggle to make out cars in the rear too, quite annoying sometimes in the dark, especially if you are wondering if the car behind is an undercover cop car!

unfortunately my fronts are normal and i was going to get them tinted at sextons this friday while i had my a pillar and gauges done.

dude
28-01-04, 21:50
Originally posted by GavinL
You can take sunglasses off at night. You can't remove tints when driving down unlit country roads at night.

Drive down many country roads backwards then Gav ????:eek:

Dude:flame Dev

SkyJawa
29-01-04, 10:48
Originally posted by osso
quite annoying sometimes in the dark, especially if you are wondering if the car behind is an undercover cop car!

Thats it exactly, in the dark you can only really see the lights, and its a bit hard to check for undercover as you say! Still, prefer with than without so guess its a small price to pay!

sinbad
29-01-04, 22:51
Anyone know any good tricks to removing the tint film.

Mine failed MOT for it the other day :( - Guy said he normally passes 65% or above... mine read 19% - lol

Matt Harwood
30-01-04, 08:22
Bloody hell, I didn't realise they'd already issued MOT stations with light meters!
I wonder where he got his acceptable figure from?? - Any chance you could find out?

As for removing them, get yourself a heat gun or hair dryer and just warm up the film. You may need a sharp blade to start the removal.
It should simply peel off. You may need a spirit wipe to clean the glass off afterwards. - It's not too difficult.

sinbad
30-01-04, 08:32
Ok thanks m8 sounds like a plan for the weekend.

We (NI) have had all our MOT stations (remember we have proper MOT centres not just local garages doing it) upgraded over the last 2 years. All are now running this test as std :eek:

The 65% figure is the 70% rule with just a little leeway for error, as the guy had a little common sense.

Matt Harwood
30-01-04, 09:14
Do these new legislations not effect you over there?

sinbad
30-01-04, 10:38
Over here we need to pass 70% for the windscreen and both front side windows. All rear windows can be totally blacked out if wanted.

This has only come in the last few years as the centres have been updated, so can't see them changing it again. Our motoring laws are a little differnent so maybe it went through for us quicker.

Sharpie
16-02-04, 13:32
Pentagon just told me that my Smoke tints on the side windows forward of the B post are 35% and so, will remove these free of charge when I produce the Invoice :)

I'm sure the light smoke were the 30% ones.

Sharpie
16-02-04, 14:21
WTF

"Ordinary non-tinted window glazing being around 80% visibility, a 30% reducing tint film applied to your vehicle would still be illegal. It surprises people that they don't get 100% visibilty from their clear windows but this is due to a lot of the light being reflected and refracted."

So, if you have very light smoke then, it's still illegal - Unless you have a sub 10% reducing tint.

Jive
19-02-04, 16:22
Just been given this URL

BBC News (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/3485721.stm)

Impounding your cars is a bit worrying :eek:

Matt Harwood
19-02-04, 22:10
AFAIK, this has always been in place for front windscreens...

AntD
12-03-06, 00:27
Sorry to bring this post back from the dead,but is it still legal to completely black out the rear window with tinting?

Cheers
Ant

toyotasuprauk
12-03-06, 00:30
Vans don't have to have any side or rear windows so therefore you can tint cars back and rear windows as much as you like.

bromy
12-03-06, 00:31
Sorry to bring this post back from the dead,but is it still legal to completely black out the rear window with tinting?

Cheers
Ant

Anything backwards from the b pillar is ok

markymark
12-03-06, 00:35
Sorry to bring this post back from the dead,but is it still legal to completely black out the rear window with tinting?

Cheers
Ant

dont think there is anything wrong with blacking out rear windows as alot of vehicles (lorrys, vans) havent got rear windows.

Tom S
12-03-06, 00:49
But they will not ask limo drivers to remove them, i have that on good authority (from the local constabulary) :taped:

markymark
12-03-06, 00:55
But they will not ask limo drivers to remove them, i have that on good authority (from the local constabulary) :taped:
good point

Rayman
12-03-06, 08:38
I still see a lot of people tinted out on my travels, dont think this has been enforced properly really.

Chris Wilson
12-03-06, 09:16
Good it will force my wife to finally get rid of the God damned stuff on her Jeep. If I wasn't so frightened of her I'd have ripped the stuff off months ago, it should be banned, serves no purpose at all other than be "trendy". Sorry if that upsets anyone, but give me one legitimate reason for blacked out front side windows?

black cat
12-03-06, 09:24
i have a cop shop about 1 minute from my house. every time i go out i go past it.
i have never been pulled in the sup. and they have never looked at me as if its nicked. my windows are tinted but so are many other cars. surely it would be a massive call back of thousands of cars and cost a fortune to get this changed . i had mine done cos i liked the look of the BMW, range rover, jeep, mercs, etc..............
why do modded cars only get clobbered with the "you cant tint the windows" crap, wen almost all of the top manufacturas do it.

blacked out windows arnt good IMO just a light smoke looks classy.

markrzs
12-03-06, 09:36
I've just had all my five windows tinted in light smoke, which looks really good I think. I also work at police HQ for Sussex and i've had nothing but compliments !:cool:

Light smoke is the darkest i'll go because anything else really is just to dangerous for driving at night. Just my 2pence worth