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neilg
16-01-04, 23:48
Hi everyone, just found the site and got joined up.

could do with some help from people

Going to buy a supra mid april time

Im looking for a UK TT manual and im wanting to spend about 9-10000. am i going to be able to find one decent for this kind of money or do i need to keep saving?
I want one which is totally standard so i can start my own modifications.

thanks for any advise to get me on track

Neil

Sharpie
16-01-04, 23:58
Hi Neil and welcome to the board :)

Good luck with your search, it could take a while for a UK 6

michael
16-01-04, 23:59
It's a fickle market, UK manuals come up at very low prices when a dealer doesn't appreciate their rarity but on the whole they attract a premium, if one does come up you'll have to be prepared to travel that day and to put a deposit on it over the phone - cheap ones sell v.quickly.

I'm near Leeds myself and struggled to find anything locally, over a year of looking for a UK manual that was black and within 200 miles with reasonable mileage failed and I got an auto in the end, I'm v.happy with it :)

Is it any particular aspect of the UK car you are really keen to have? Most bits can be added to a J-Spec and if your planned tuning is fairly basic either cars are a good base for a relatively easy 400bhp.

toyotasuprauk
17-01-04, 00:03
Hi and welcome to the site.

You could find an import for that price but a manual UK will be very hard to find. I have seen one for that price but the next day the advert was gone so you might be up for a bit of a wait.

Adrian

neilg
17-01-04, 00:07
Right then dont want to go into mass battles with people but i DID think uk ones were quicker. Now ive been looking round the site though seems people beg to differ. Should i just buy an import?

Like the leather and bigger brakes only real differances that bother me too much

toyotasuprauk
17-01-04, 00:11
Its a big debatable subject, the biggest difference is really the insurance.

Insurance companies use the fact a car is an import to legally steal from the public so you'll pay up to double the amount to insure an import with virtually an identical spec and value.

michael
17-01-04, 00:16
I shouldn't take long to find a nice UK vs J-Spec debate within the old threads :)

In reality they are pretty evenly matched as far as performance goes, the J-Spec spools quicker, the UK is stronger at the top end, I went UK because I like things such as the ivory leather, I wanted bigger brakes (optional on J-Specs and standard on late models) and I decided the superior fuelling and cooling of the UK car would be good for the mods I had in mind. I also like headlam washers (much to people's amusement) and little things like knowing the outside temp make me happy... I'm weird like that ;)

It's possible to get a J-Spec that is almost identical to a UK (GZ with all the options) but they aren't as easy to find as the more basic RZ models - saying this even an RZ can be spec'd up to be on the way to the UK levels of trim.

In hindsight and knowing what I do now I might have been tempted to go for a premodded J-Spec and then spend a bit on making it mine - there are some good examples around for silly money, a quick look around here should help you find a few that might tempt you.

Out of interest what are you driving at the moment?

neilg
17-01-04, 00:18
thats not a massive issue, ill be 21 4 years no claims and i know there going to do me through the nose. Ive had a quote now at 20 with 6 points 3 yrs no claims for 2300. So long as i can get a figure round there ill be happy enough.

Gordon F
17-01-04, 00:18
Hi Neil - Welcome along :)

The UK cars were only sold from 1994-96 and most of those were autos, so the UK 6 speed is pretty difficult to find. I think that this (http://www.mkivsupra.net/vbb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=11915&highlight=TT6) is the thread for the last one sold on here. Wanting a standard one narrows your search even further.
It's not all bad news tho'. Not all of the UK TT6's have been accounted for, there are some more out there somewhere. Most of their owners will have no idea of the cars value, so if you can find one there is a bargain to be had.
I wont wish you good luck - cos I'm looking for one as well :)
Enjoy the forums.

neilg
17-01-04, 00:24
Last summer i had a 249 bhp rover coupe turbo and blew it up

Bought a 254 bhp escort rs and blew that up so ive just bought myself a X reg DIESEL pug 406 to knock about in for the winter while weather is bad.

Thats why i plan to buy mid april, wanted one since i passed my test and now ive just about got the money to do it, figured aswell (or im hoping) im going to guess that i have a lot less chance of blowing it up as there a lot more reliable (so im told) i have mega heavy foot syndrome :p

michael
17-01-04, 00:27
I used to have a very heavy foot until I bought the Supra, you run out of road very quickly so end up being heavy on the middle pedal instead :)

tony2311
17-01-04, 00:31
neil do you read max power every month and wear a base ball cap???:twak:

neilg
17-01-04, 00:33
No im not that bad, just have a love of cars

neilg
17-01-04, 00:37
My mate has a jap tt auto (standard) and the escort used to kill it up to about 110, it is a really giddy car and a right laugh to drive just dont like it, i took it off my mate as a favour

toyotasuprauk
17-01-04, 00:46
I don't know anything about Escorts, and I don't mean to cause any offence but its because I hate them. However I'd be rather surprised to see one beat a supra TT even if it is stock.

neilg
17-01-04, 00:51
I hate them too your not alone, like i say i was a massinve favour at the time. Like i say though doing 254 BHP out of a tin box when it did take traction it didnt half go

roscodav
17-01-04, 10:55
Just to calm the nervous of you, I have a friend with a Escort RS Cossie, dynoed at about 300bhp, uprate n stage gubbins etc, and although it is not a trashing I have pretty easily pulled away from him all the way, he ended up about 5 car lengths behind on a 1/4 mile. but the bugger always beats me when we get on the twisty stuff... (mutters, fing 4wd)

Darren
17-01-04, 11:07
I see insurance cost of UK versus J spec was mentioned in this thread. All I can say is I didn't have a problem and that I got very competive quotes on my J spec. Certainly not double which is a figure that seems to get bandied around!!;)

dangerous brain
17-01-04, 17:58
Ok mine is a measley N/A but tesco's seem to be very good on soops especially the jspecs. Mine rolls in at a cool 450 plus 50 for protected no claims.

Consider a UK auto as it is the best auto box on the market. There is a thread somewhere on here where a guy has yet to beat his 1/4 mile in his manual that he set in his previous auto!
The box is effectively clutchless manual in first second and third when you podge the manual button. Also considering your penchant for blowing cars up perhaps an auto would live longer LOL! Seriously though the auto box on soops is the smoothest changing box on the planet. I recently test drove a UK auto TT with 60k on the clock full toyota service history priced at 8 grand OK it was white which is why I didnt buy it but they are out there.

Whitesupraboy2
17-01-04, 18:19
Originally posted by dangerous brain
I recently test drove a UK auto TT with 60k on the clock full toyota service history priced at 8 grand OK it was white which is why I didnt buy it but they are out there.


and what is wrong with white!!!! :twak:

dangerous brain
17-01-04, 18:20
Originally posted by whitesupraboy2
and what is wrong with white!!!! :twak:

Nowt apart from you need a chest wig elvis shirt and medallion to go with it!!!
And randomely utter the word Uhuhhh!! lol

Whitesupraboy2
17-01-04, 18:27
Originally posted by dangerous brain
Nowt apart from you need a chest wig elvis shirt and medallion to go with it!!!
And randomely utter the word Uhuhhh!! lol

anyone got a elvis shirt and a medallion i can borrow...it seems my image is all wrong!! lol

dangerous brain
17-01-04, 18:28
Oh and get your lights fixed!!!!!

Bobbeh
17-01-04, 18:29
I have a UK 6-speed, and sadly I know its value :D

dangerous brain
17-01-04, 18:34
Neilg will happily releive you of it then LOL

Bobbeh
17-01-04, 18:37
Sadly its not for sale :)

Suprash
17-01-04, 19:11
Neil, seriously dont believe what you read about the UK Vs Jspec issues, most of them are just dribble dreamed up to keep each countries happy. The Jpsec is less BHP but as said before due to quicker spooling turbos, and like being lighter their just as fast. But the UK's will have a lot extra. I got a late model, the VVT-i, (96+) puts out an extra 35-40bhp due to the VVT-i, and come with bigger brakes as standard, so in my eyes thats even. Wether it be a UK or Jspec, GZ or SZ, each car has its own +'s and -'s, it depends on what you finally want to do with the car. I would suggest as you have a few months you make a point of test driving a UK, a JSpec, a manual, a auto, a RZ, and a GZ, then make up your mind, and I bet you have trouble deciding.

As someone has already said, if you are planning on modding it, it could be worth you buying a car, with zorst, decat, induction done already, as that could save you 1000+ from the start, and be running 50-100bhp more before you have even touched it and probably not cost you much more on the price as a standard.

Matt Harwood
17-01-04, 21:54
Originally posted by Ashley Willis
The Jpsec is less BHP
:innocent: Only on paper! :innocent:




Originally posted by dangerous brain
Consider a UK auto as it is the best auto box on the market. There is a thread somewhere on here where a guy has yet to beat his 1/4 mile in his manual that he set in his previous auto!

That'll be me... Exacly the same modifications, but still a couple of tenths of a second slower with the manual. - The manual is more fun, when you get the chance to throw it around. But the auto is a nicer car to drive on a daily basis. Very relaxing with power on tap. More consistant too.

neilg
17-01-04, 22:14
Cheers for all the advise everyone, Due to all your comments i could be swinging over towards an import, like the idea of faster spool up, and like i say the only differances that mainly bother me are leather and big brakes, both issues that could quite easily be solved with the money saved.
As for the gearbox i have to go manual, i know it is no comparison but i had a v6 vauxhall automatic and i just wasnt for me. Got too bored too quick, sold it and bought the same car in a manual. If im going to spend all this money on the car i have to make sure im going to be totally happy with it. Like i say i have a friend with an auto TT and having been in that just dont fancy it.

To move onto another question now, if i were to get a fresh import as i can hang on a bit for delivery etc anyone have any advise for me, what kind of money should it cost me for a DECENT tt manual ( want black or silver) not too bothered about spec but obviously i would prefer higher. Is that an answerable question or is it too bigger range to say?

Cheers again everyone

dangerous brain
18-01-04, 03:10
speak to some specialist importers like group20 or barbarian or bonsai or JIC for examples of cars and prices (these are all southern ie southampton based importers)

Watch these forums BradB had a magnificent example of a TT for sale for 7.5k recently new alloys and a new respray fantastic looking car!!!!

As I said previously I have a vauxhall auto please don't do the supra auto the injustice of tarring it with the same brush. Drive the auto and see what you think, especially drive it in manual mode through the gears, I guarantee you will not be dissapointed!!

Keighley trade centre cant be all that far from you its gotta be worth a trip judt to drive all your prospective drives! If not get yourself to a northern meet and see how fraternal the soop bunch is!!!

Willson
18-01-04, 11:29
You can get a decent 6 speed TT import for around 10k.

Steve W2
19-01-04, 18:16
Originally posted by neilg
To move onto another question now, if i were to get a fresh import as i can hang on a bit for delivery etc anyone have any advise for me, what kind of money should it cost me for a DECENT tt manual ( want black or silver) not too bothered about spec but obviously i would prefer higher. Is that an answerable question or is it too bigger range to say?

Cheers again everyone

If you can live with an Auto you could buy mine:D I can even sell you a brand new Blitz boost controller:D :D

dangerous brain
19-01-04, 22:10
He doesn't want yours the alloys and exhaust are too spangley and shiny Steve!!!!!

Anyways we need you to keep it in the Bournemouth Massif

Mr Deano
19-01-04, 22:22
Originally posted by neilg
Hi everyone, just found the site and got joined up.

could do with some help from people

Going to buy a supra mid april time

Im looking for a UK TT manual and im wanting to spend about 9-10000. am i going to be able to find one decent for this kind of money or do i need to keep saving?
I want one which is totally standard so i can start my own modifications.

thanks for any advise to get me on track

Neil
I have just bought one about six weeks ago for 12.000.00
it took me four months to find,
it is a TT uk spec 6sp manual in rosso red, 94'L in immaculate con with 59,000 miles on the clock, full beige leather with all the toys, also standard. i think it depends on how long your willing to wait and how hard your willing to look, the one i just bought had nearly sold for more hadnt i wacked an large immidiet deposit on, there were three other people phoning the garage offering up to 13.000.00 for it.
I am very pleased i waited as the best things come to those who wait

Steve W2
20-01-04, 08:54
Originally posted by dangerous brain
He doesn't want yours the alloys and exhaust are too spangley and shiny Steve!!!!!

Anyways we need you to keep it in the Bournemouth Massif

Standard exhaust now, just the spangly alloys!!;)

albundy68
20-01-04, 13:09
neil, if you can afford the insurance youre probably better off with a j spec, im not gonna get involved with the UK spec/j spec argument that never seems to end, (but do a search on 1/4 mile times on here you might be surprised.)

Fact is the UKs are more expensive and often not as nice (paintwork/exterior wise) as the newer jap ones, and for the same money as a UK you can get one of the newer J spec ones, - but dont rush, you need to be just as patient waiting for the right J spec as with the UKs.

You should be able to find a late j spec manu with leather and bigger brakes within your price range, and if youre not in too much of a rush wait till one pops up with nice alloys, induction and zaust, coz it'll save you a fortune, and you dont have to worry about basic mods having any effect on the car,

-not like, say a car modded to the point where boost can be increased coz this could have done some internal damage,

best idea is to use the search button and get as clued up as you can manage before doing anything,

having said that i know paul wiffin, and i think miami rice as well have some crackin supes for sale at rock bottom prices at the moment, (wheres that shameless plug smilie???) :baa:

neilg
24-01-04, 20:44
Thanks for all your help everyone, ive spoke to quite a few people now and i had quite a long conversation with paul at miami-rice. My decision now is looking like im going to go for a J-spec. He recons he will be able to find me a really good low milage one just as i want it for about 11000 (freshly imported) im going to have a treck down south hopefully next weekend to see him and get a bit more information and hopefully get a good deal done! Like i say i dont want it for a while so im willing to hang on for the shipping also gives me some time to sort some good insurance out! Went to see nice mr bankman the other day and he lent me the last bit of money i need so im all ready to go. Cheers again everyone and im sure ill be needing pleanty more advise, wish me luck!!!!!!!

dangerous brain
24-01-04, 23:38
Take a look at keighley trade centre mate they have soops in all the time and a lot of them are very cheap. Ok they usually are N/A's in there but the selection of cars is astounding. You can drive the cars you are thinking about before having to drive down south. At least that way you will know what to expect from your car beforehand. Dunno what their policy is on allowing multiple test drives but they stock all jap super cars so give a few car types a trip out to see what you think. Should make you realise how good the soop is lol. There are a few importers operate from northern docks like liverpool and newcastle so that also might be an option for you. That said a car that has been in the UK for a while will have some UK history and will probably be an easier option with some of the bigger brakes and UK style MODs done.

keighley (http://www.keighleycartradecentre.co.uk/keighley.htm)

toyotasuprauk
25-01-04, 01:06
A quick look at that sites shows an 6 speed manual TT with 80K, nice alloys, tints and bonnet scoop for 8495. Not a bad price!

dangerous brain
25-01-04, 01:07
As I said much cheapness. Dunno how reputable they are but they have cars you can test drive is all I was saying.

Tom
25-01-04, 01:36
Just checked out the website, they are really good prices!
I'd like to see what you'd get for 13k.

michael
25-01-04, 09:59
Originally posted by dangerous brain
Take a look at keighley trade centre mate they have soops in all the time and a lot of them are very cheap.


Having visited them a couple of times I have a few observations:

1) Their cars are tatty

2) The stock on the website doesn't always reflect the cars they actually have

3) Don't park in the pine shop car park next door or you'll get clamped.

michael
25-01-04, 10:04
Originally posted by toyotasuprauk
A quick look at that sites shows an 6 speed manual TT with 80K, nice alloys, tints and bonnet scoop for 8495. Not a bad price!


Mmm that does look nice though! I feel a trip to Keighley coming on :)

dangerous brain
25-01-04, 11:03
Originally posted by mcanny
Having visited them a couple of times I have a few observations:


2) The stock on the website doesn't always reflect the cars they actually have



I imagine that as they sell so cheaply their cars shift out of there quite quickly. At those prices dealers probably buy them tart them up a bit and put them on their own forecourts. Question I have to ask though is where is he getting his stock from to sell at those prices??? OK he will give you knacker all on a px which will give him about 40% of his stock but wheres the rest coming from at that price???

michael
25-01-04, 16:23
I couldn't resist the temptation to go over and have a look, at first glance the Silver car looks really nice, full black leather / plastic, clean bodywork, UK scoop, UK (water filled) front lamps, facelift rear lights, wheels are OK etc.... the panel gaps on the doors look wrong though, very tight on the front end and quite large towards the back, the doors also seemed to sit too high at the handle side. Looks clean but I'd be worried about potential accident damage. To me it looked as though it had been crashed and repaired by a UK garage who decided to fit UK parts, alternatively it could have just been owned by someone who had seen the error of their ways and wanted to emulate the beauty of the UK - he couldn't afford the dildos though :)

The cheap SZ next to it had a full UK leather interior in ivory, it also seemed to have very narrow (newly fitted) Fox alloys - the tyres were bulging off the side on the front and back.

Some interesting kit there, a row of 5 white EVO IIIs with consecutive plates, a lovely purple R33 GTR with very wide wheels but huge chunks out of the tyres and a mad looking little MX5 with a massive FMIC.

Maybe worth a look but probably worth being ultra careful and getting the car up on a ramp and making sure everything is 100%.



I didn't talk to anyone there, seemed like 6 or 7 asian chaps were running the place but they were locked in a small office and didn't seem too keen to come out *shrug*

neilg
25-01-04, 20:35
I had seen the silverone in the trader and was planning a trip across on wed if it hasnt sold. Wasnt building too many hopes though because it just seems too cheap! Sure lots of people have obviously noticed it been so cheap so chances are that if he hasnt sold it by wed then its not up to much! ill have a trek over and see what i think.

I have been before however and i do aggree the cars seem tatty The paintwork is always most noticiable, they always seem well worn and faded like any car you bought from them would need a respray. However its dam cheap if its half decent.

Mr Deano
25-01-04, 23:27
Originally posted by neilg
I had seen the silverone in the trader and was planning a trip across on wed if it hasnt sold. Wasnt building too many hopes though because it just seems too cheap! Sure lots of people have obviously noticed it been so cheap so chances are that if he hasnt sold it by wed then its not up to much! ill have a trek over and see what i think.

I have been before however and i do aggree the cars seem tatty The paintwork is always most noticiable, they always seem well worn and faded like any car you bought from them would need a respray. However its dam cheap if its half decent. i know you said ten grand but if you can stretch yourself there was this week a rosso red uk 6sp TT with 48 thousand on the clock in standard form for twelve grand, i know its a lot more money but have a look for yourself if its still there, the same money and spec as mine with ten thousand miles less on the clock, i'm just not sure exactly where it is though.

p.s. i went through avonmouth near weston super mare today and got the clock showing 170mph in standard form their awsomly quick, i'll soon post the picture on the board, we gota photo of it,

Matt Harwood
26-01-04, 08:39
Deano, has your avatar been in a magazine recently by any chance? :innocent:

Mr Deano
26-01-04, 20:36
Originally posted by Matt Harwood
Deano, has your avatar been in a magazine recently by any chance? :innocent: my avatar was taken on sunday, it hasnt been in any magazines, i hope to show more on the clock before it goes in any mags, my balls shrank at 170mph, there was road left but i chickened out......

Mr deano

neilg
26-01-04, 23:47
Cheers again, its not that i cant stretch my budget just im wanting a black or silver one ( no offence to anyone with a red one though):thumbs:

dangerous brain
27-01-04, 18:30
none taken LOL