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Hi,
I'm building a sub woofer enclosure for the back of my car. Basically I'm going to build a cabinet behind the back seats with two 10" subs in it and an amp.
Should I put a divider in between the two subs in the enclosure or can I leave the enclosure as one big box??
Should the enclosure be sealed or have a vent?
Cheers,
Paul.
By the way, when I'm done I'll be happy to share the template and plans with anyone, or even cut out the pieces of wood and send them to you for assembly!
Cheers,
Paul.
Paul,
I would go with a sealed enclosure. you do not always need to divide the subs but make sure the box you make is the right size in liters or cubic ft for the subs to operate in.
What subs and amp are you going for?
Also make sure you use good quality MDF and ensure it is properly sealed.
cheers
hi paul
1.if u fit a divider u will get better results
2,ported or sealed depends on the sub being used different subs work better in different enclosers.
the encloser vol is also specific to each different sub,as is the port or ports if u go with ported box,u also need to allow for the vol of the port & speaker displacement on top of the vol required for the sub if u really want it to work @ its best,
if ur sub can do sealed or ported,you need to decide on the type of bass required for the design to be taillored to suit
sealed will be punchy,where as ported can be tuned with the port to give bass response to a lower frequency
but its more to personal taste really unless ur entering sound offs
Matt Harwood
12-01-04, 18:58
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Wot he said! :)
Soonto"HAS"soop
12-01-04, 19:05
Originally posted by Matt Harwood
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Wot he said! :)
Good use of a post there Matty! :thumbs: :thumbs:
Ben..
Originally posted by Matt B
Paul,
I would go with a sealed enclosure. you do not always need to divide the subs but make sure the box you make is the right size in liters or cubic ft for the subs to operate in.
What subs and amp are you going for?
Also make sure you use good quality MDF and ensure it is properly sealed.
cheers
I'm not usre which subs and amp I'm gonna go for! Definately 10" subs and a decent amp, probably a kenwood one as they seem pretty decently priced. I dont want to spend more than 200 quid for the amd and two subs really.
The enclosure is coming along by the way. Got the top and two sides on!
I've got the hard bit of making pieces to go over the wheels now!!
Paul.
umm
how can u be making the box when u aint got the subs yet to know the encloser vol required?????:stupid:
I'm working on the general rule of 1 square foot for a 10" sub. I should have 2.5sq foot in total. Hopefully this will be enough?
Paul.
where does this rule cum from???
i have lanzar 10's designed as a free air sub!
but mobile muscle with the software they use cum up with a design of .6 cubic foot + speaker displacement + 2 x 2" ports 16.47" long and that works very well with a very good frequency gragh, tuned to 6th order 36 hz
as far as im aware there is no generall rule its all down to speaker parameters,but i do stand to be corrected by the experts on this.
you may get lucky & hit the right combination as car interior cums into it as well,but from experience u may well be dissapointed with the results u get,
i found the cost of buying a proper design was well worth it for the end result
baldy,
I read that on a web site somewhere!! Maybee it's bollocks! d'oh
!!
I'll just get subs that are ok for 1sq foot each. I'm sure someone told me that as long as you have the minimum then you should be ok??
The enclosures are going to be sealed by the way.
Paul.
hi paul
i dunno if mat harwood has the software to do the above but just dun a search ,u can get alan burton of mobile muscle @
www.carsound.net/mmuscle/ this is 1 very knowledgeable man on car hifi enclosers
but if u get in touch beware when ever ive delt with him in the past its @ least an hour on the phone to sort summit out
cheers
You don't need software or anything to do sealed enclosures, only ported or bandpass ones. You do need to know the correct enclose size though, which should be in the specs for the sub. It varies quite a lot - I bought a sub specifically because it had a small enclosure volume. You need to work out the dimensions of your enclosure to give you the correct volume. There's a bit of leeway, but it will sound much better in the correct volume.
Thats what I wanted to hear!! :)
Well I know my maximum volume. So what I'm going to do is get two subs that are good for that volume or less.
If they require a smaller volume then I'll put dividers in the middle of the enclosure to produce the correct volume!
Cheers,
Paul.
Paul I got my subs from Motorworld.
JBL GT3-10 £30, they are sorta end of line but who gives a shit.
My amp was £250 from Halfrauds, but it is a 5 speaker amp.
Total spent £310 (bought another sub ready for new boot box)
Matt Harwood
13-01-04, 09:07
Originally posted by Paul R
I dont want to spend more than 200 quid for the amd and two subs really.
No expense spared then! :innocent:
Why not get 1 good sub, making a smaller box, and a decent amp.
If you're on a budget, I'd go for the Alpine MRP-M350, and a 2 ohm sub, (dual 4). SWR-1041D, for example.
That way you're not lugging around a really heavy box, and getting better equipment at the same time.
Stick with a sealed enclosure and get some wadding for it.
Originally posted by Matt Harwood
No expense spared then! :innocent:
Why not get 1 good sub, making a smaller box, and a decent amp.
If you're on a budget, I'd go for the Alpine MRP-M350, and a 2 ohm sub, (dual 4). SWR-1041D, for example.
That way you're not lugging around a really heavy box, and getting better equipment at the same time.
Stick with a sealed enclosure and get some wadding for it.
Too late, nearly built the box :eek:
I probably will spend a bit more on the subs to tell you the truth!! :)
Paul.
Originally posted by oxygene
Paul I got my subs from Motorworld.
JBL GT3-10 £30, they are sorta end of line but who gives a shit.
My amp was £250 from Halfrauds, but it is a 5 speaker amp.
Total spent £310 (bought another sub ready for new boot box)
Are your subs ok for a sealed enclosure and what volume do they require?
cheers,
Paul.
Originally posted by Matt Harwood
No expense spared then! :innocent:
Why not get 1 good sub, making a smaller box, and a decent amp.
If you're on a budget, I'd go for the Alpine MRP-M350, and a 2 ohm sub, (dual 4). SWR-1041D, for example.
That way you're not lugging around a really heavy box, and getting better equipment at the same time.
Stick with a sealed enclosure and get some wadding for it.
by the way, I want two subs because I have a left and right sub output on my head unit!
ok is there an idiots guide to bass box building and subs as about the only part i understood was "good quility MDF" didn't understand anything in baldy's first post:stupid: and i want a bass box
I thin it goes like this.
Go for a sealed enclosure as this is the easiest box to build.
1, pick a sub or subs.
2, find out how many litres or cubic feet of space they need to operate properly.
3, build a box with sufficient capacity to house the sub.
easy!!
A sealed enclosure is one that is completely air tight.
My enclosure is about 2.5cubic feet. I'm getting two 10" sony subs which will just fit nicely in the box!
Paul.
Matt Harwood
13-01-04, 19:04
Originally posted by Paul R
My enclosure is about 2.5cubic feet. I'm getting two 10" sony subs which will just fit nicely in the box!
WOW! - That must weigh a tonne! - Wanna race! :innocent: :p
wahey!!!!:D
after cashpoints coment i almost feel intelligent
:cool:
or are u saying my english is poor :mad:
:D
cheers baldy
Originally posted by Matt Harwood
WOW! - That must weigh a tonne! - Wanna race! :innocent: :p
I think it will weigh about 10Kg's or so!! :baa:
I'll still race ya.....I'll take it out first!! :-)
Originally posted by Paul R
I think it will weigh about 10Kg's or so!! :baa:
I'll still race ya.....I'll take it out first!! :-)
Matt dont stop for anything .... roundabouts ...lorries ...... anything !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!;)
Dude:flame Dev
Anyone got any thoughts on this combo:
2x sony 10" XSL101P5 subs
Pioneer GMX972 amp??
Seem like well priced decent choices??.
Paul.
Soonto"HAS"soop
14-01-04, 00:15
OK, I don't want to blow the mans trumpet, but.......
..........I went on Mr (still trying to be nice) Nice's info, and although my system is far from the top of the range -(beats the crap out of our friend Roy's system! :thumbs: :thumbs: ) it certainly makes it's own, just ask most that sit around sextons in Maidstone.
Ben..
P.S. Give me a shout, and I'll happily sit it next to Mr Nices for a sound check! :cool: :cool:
Matt Harwood
14-01-04, 09:08
Ben, I like you mate, but you are NOT blowing my trumpet!:D
Originally posted by Matt Harwood
Ben, I like you mate, but you are NOT blowing my trumpet!:D
:innocent: Hmmm.. :innocent:
Matt Harwood
14-01-04, 09:12
NOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!
Originally posted by Soonto"HAS"soop
OK, I don't want to blow the mans trumpet, but.......
..........I went on Mr (still trying to be nice) Nice's info, and although my system is far from the top of the range -(beats the crap out of our friend Roy's system! :thumbs: :thumbs: ) it certainly makes it's own, just ask most that sit around sextons in Maidstone.
Ben..
P.S. Give me a shout, and I'll happily sit it next to Mr Nices for a sound check! :cool: :cool:
oi - benny the trumpet boy ........ when you're done blowin' mr nice over there, you can apologize fer slaggin' off my stereo ! or you n me's gonna have words you hear me boy ? :p
or i could leave you for dead on some nice stretch of road if you prefer ? :flame Dev
Matt Harwood
14-01-04, 12:43
Oooo, back from his holidays and he's gone all aggressive! :p
Patrick_Devlin
14-01-04, 12:45
Matt,
At the risk of saying something vaguely related to the topic of subs...
Do you sell acoustic wadding, not dynamat... I'm looking at building a 1.25cuft sealed enclosure for a 12" MTX RoadThunder and have been advised that it would help!
Matt Harwood
14-01-04, 12:47
Yep, it's about £5-6 per 2m roll. - Well worth doing.
Patrick_Devlin
14-01-04, 12:49
£5-£6???
Is that depending on who you sell it to! ;)
What would you say the smallest enclosure for a 12" sub would be? 1cuft!?!?
Originally posted by Matt Harwood
Oooo, back from his holidays and he's gone all aggressive! :p
do you blame me ? all i had to drive around was a 1.7 litre honda oddysey MPV thingy ....... needless to say i took the bus/cabbed most of the time. that thing has the reaction of a whale !! bah ...
Matt Harwood
14-01-04, 13:16
Pat, smallest one that springs to mind is a Kicker with a recommended 0.7, but I'm sure if I did some digging around, I could probably find smaller.
Smaller boxes to have their limitations and trade-offs though. Lower output levels, less frequency response etc.
Roy, at least a 1.7 didn't scare you!
Soonto"HAS"soop
14-01-04, 13:18
Originally posted by Roy
oi - benny the trumpet boy ........ when you're done blowin' mr nice over there, you can apologize fer slaggin' off my stereo ! or you n me's gonna have words you hear me boy ?
or i could leave you for dead on some nice stretch of road if you prefer ?
Erm,:conf: :conf: I was wondering what I got upto last night, think I've found out. :innocent: :innocent:
I must plead the case, and say that Jack Daniels made me do it, how I hate him - and his lovely tasting alcoholic product, MMmmm.
How I hate you all for quoting my post - cos now I can't remove it :devil: :devil: .
Feel free to :twak: me next time you see me Roy :thumbs:
Ben..
Trumpet Blowing - WTF was I thinking?!?!?:(
Matt Harwood
14-01-04, 13:20
Originally posted by Soonto"HAS"soop
Trumpet Blowing - WTF was I thinking?!?!?:(
Just don't think about it again and we'll all be happy! :sly:
Soonto"HAS"soop
14-01-04, 13:23
Originally posted by Matt Harwood
Just don't think about it again and we'll all be happy! :sly:
Deal!! :thumbs: :thumbs:
Ben..
Patrick_Devlin
14-01-04, 13:53
Originally posted by Matt Harwood
Pat, smallest one that springs to mind is a Kicker with a recommended 0.7, but I'm sure if I did some digging around, I could probably find smaller.
Smaller boxes to have their limitations and trade-offs though. Lower output levels, less frequency response etc.
Is there any need to have the box wedge shaped or can it be plain box shaped? I think I'll go for a 1cuft, add to that the displacement of the speaker, and I think that'll be it for the boot of the supe!
The box should NOT be square or you will get distortion.
Paul.
Patrick_Devlin
14-01-04, 14:29
Thats what I originally thought. The pressure wave from the back of the cone would bounce directly back upto the speaker. I've always thought that a wedge was the way to go... But I've seen regular square boxes, do these have internal deflectors or something like that? Would the acoustic padding reduce or remove it?
Originally posted by Soonto"HAS"soop
Erm,:conf: :conf: I was wondering what I got upto last night, think I've found out. :innocent:
I must plead the case, and say that Jack Daniels made me do it, how I hate him - and his lovely tasting alcoholic product, MMmmm.
How I hate you all for quoting my post - cos now I can't remove it :devil:
Feel free to :twak: me next time you see me Roy :thumbs:
Ben..
Trumpet Blowing - WTF was I thinking?!?!?:(
hmmphh ....... just don't let it happen again ya hear ? LOL ... but seriously, i guess i don't 'quite' have the 'star wars' system ben has. old man jack has been known to chop a few people off at the knees so quite understandable young man. errm, as for the trumpet issue - maybe better left unsaid eh ? :innocent:
mr harwood - i don't think 1.7 scared me, it was 'HOW' you got to 1.7 that did me in !! :p
without removing the spare or tools
Matt Harwood
15-01-04, 19:15
I recently had 6 subs, 4 head units, 4 CD changers, 8 pair of speakers and 3 cat 1 alarms.... And I still had the tools and spare too :p
And that's not including the ones that were wired into the car!:innocent:
Soonto"HAS"soop
15-01-04, 19:18
Originally posted by Matt Harwood
I recently had 6 subs, 4 head units, 4 CD changers, 8 pair of speakers and 3 cat 1 alarms.... And I still had the tools and spare too :p
And that's not including the ones that were wired into the car!:innocent:
LMAO!!
Stop playing with the newbie Mr (so called) Nice!
Ben..
thats why you got problems with you dampers :p
Originally posted by reno
thats why you got problems with you dampers :p
Matt cant spell either it should read problems with my PAMPERS !!!
Dude:flame Dev
Matt Harwood
15-01-04, 20:23
:D
My Sub enclosure is nearly ready. Made the box, will seal it up tomorrow and put the speakers in.
I spent 280 quid in the end :)
Got a 1000Watt Sony Xplod amp and two 700Watt Sony Xplod speakers!
I will do it tomorrow and test it out! Should get some pics soon!
Paul.
Yay,
Got the box sealed up and the speakers put in it. connected it all up and BOOM BOOM BOOM!
sounds ace! :) Got a bit of fine tuning to do yet, but sounds good already. Think I'll try some wadding?
I need some carpet to cover it too. anyone know where I can get some cheap?
Paul.
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