Dave Posted July 29, 2008 Share Posted July 29, 2008 just been sent this to my email account makes interesting reading but how and does it work ???? its supposed to mix hydrogen with the fuel to make it more efficent and cost around £100 quid for the bits anyone heard of this ??? would make running the supra a bit cheaper http://www.waterfuelexpert.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJI Posted July 30, 2008 Share Posted July 30, 2008 there are a lot of these claims going around at the moment......... here's another one... http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=7011607014948506146&q=amazing+-grace&ei=v8mPSOqRHpCCwgPIxrzVDw&hl=en Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevie_b Posted July 30, 2008 Share Posted July 30, 2008 It sounds dubious. Water is quite inert, because the chemical bonds in a water molecule are so strong (if I remember my a-level chemistry correctly). To "burn" water or to make anything react with it, you'd need to break those bonds first, which requires a lot of energy to be supplied in the first place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruggs Posted July 30, 2008 Share Posted July 30, 2008 I know a guy that is waiting on his kit from America, due in next week. It uses the hydrogen or something? I havent really looked into it. He just said that the manufacturer ran the car from California to Florida on 11 gallons of water. However, i think the ones they sell are to mix the hydrogen with the fuel. Will see how it goes and let people know. Cheers G Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruggs Posted July 30, 2008 Share Posted July 30, 2008 (edited) double post Edited July 30, 2008 by Gruggs i am an idiot (see edit history) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruggs Posted July 30, 2008 Share Posted July 30, 2008 dammit...computer issues. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian C Posted July 30, 2008 Share Posted July 30, 2008 My how surprising it's a gaudy cheap website with no science or technical backup, just a constant sales pitch stuffed with bullshit. I wasn't expecting that. Give me £100 and I'll convert your car to run on air! You can add up to 14 or 15 times more air than fuel into the combustion chamber and your car will still run just fine!!!!!!! Works with any petrol engine, fully reversible. Just £100, cough up you wild eyed punters, cough up... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruggs Posted July 30, 2008 Share Posted July 30, 2008 Just thought i'd add the guy's kit aint from that website. I'm still dubious until I see it actually running and not ruining the car. I'll try and get down to the mechanic's garage when he is doing the conversion for the guy.....the mechanic is dubious about it as well. Could be interesting? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest CoolsBlue Posted July 30, 2008 Share Posted July 30, 2008 Just thought i'd add the guy's kit aint from that website. I'm still dubious until I see it actually running and not ruining the car. I'll try and get down to the mechanic's garage when he is doing the conversion for the guy.....the mechanic is dubious about it as well. Could be interesting? Please dont tell me hes doing it on a supra? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob wild Posted July 30, 2008 Share Posted July 30, 2008 I would really love one of these companies to sort out hyrdogen power properly! Espically with the price of fuel and gas and electric going up 20% Personally I really do hope that ITM power (UK company): http://www.itm-power.com Make a good go of it and produce a smaller working version that can be installed in most cars! However I think they have been out gunned by this jap company called Genepax:- http://www.genepax.co.jp/en/ There fuel cell converts water into hydrogen then passes through a membrane to produce electricity. Just think of one of those in your house running off rain water! 0 energy bills Seriously I wish I some money to invest in development of this as i think the retail opportunities are massive! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supra_si Posted July 30, 2008 Share Posted July 30, 2008 water fuel eh, il be needing a hose pipe then to fill up from me tap. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruggs Posted July 30, 2008 Share Posted July 30, 2008 Please dont tell me hes doing it on a supra? Na its just a guy who use's a mates garage. My mate, the mechanic, is skeptical but says will give it a go. I think its just a bog standard run around car. Cheers G Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soonto_HAS_soop Posted July 30, 2008 Share Posted July 30, 2008 So How Does The Technology Work? The truth is that you don't need to understand the process - we have spent over 15 years doing the "hard work" so you don't have to. Where's my VISA card!?!? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitesupraboy2 Posted July 30, 2008 Share Posted July 30, 2008 http://www.mkivsupra.net/vbb/showthread.php?t=156558 Put it on any high performance engine and you should be shot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevie_b Posted July 30, 2008 Share Posted July 30, 2008 There fuel cell converts water into hydrogen then passes through a membrane to produce electricity. Just think of one of those in your house running off rain water! 0 energy bills Seriously I wish I some money to invest in development of this as i think the retail opportunities are massive! The bit in bold is highly dubious. It takes a lot of energy to break water into its component parts of hydrogen and oxygen. If the process starts with just water, and finishes with just water, you'll definitely be using more energy than you create. I guarantee it. The whole of physics is based on this principle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SimonB Posted July 30, 2008 Share Posted July 30, 2008 The bit in bold is highly dubious. It takes a lot of energy to break water into its component parts of hydrogen and oxygen. If the process starts with just water, and finishes with just water, you'll definitely be using more energy than you create. I guarantee it. The whole of physics is based on this principle. Quite right. Fuel cells aren't powered by water, they are powered by hydrogen and produce water as a waste product along with electricity. Since the only way to make hydrogen in the first place is to use electricity which must be generated some other way they are most definitely NOT zero emission. The advantage is that the emissions are centralised at a power station, and in theory if anyone had invented a decently efficient renewable energy source you could use that to generate your electricity. Anything that claims to produce energy from water is patently complete and utter bollocks I'm afraid. It's the modern day equivalent of a perpetual motion machine - physically impossible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob wild Posted July 30, 2008 Share Posted July 30, 2008 The bit in bold is highly dubious. It takes a lot of energy to break water into its component parts of hydrogen and oxygen. If the process starts with just water, and finishes with just water, you'll definitely be using more energy than you create. I guarantee it. The whole of physics is based on this principle. Quite right. Fuel cells aren't powered by water, they are powered by hydrogen and produce water as a waste product along with electricity. Since the only way to make hydrogen in the first place is to use electricity which must be generated some other way they are most definitely NOT zero emission. The advantage is that the emissions are centralised at a power station, and in theory if anyone had invented a decently efficient renewable energy source you could use that to generate your electricity. Anything that claims to produce energy from water is patently complete and utter bollocks I'm afraid. It's the modern day equivalent of a perpetual motion machine - physically impossible. I don't know enough about the technology or the physics side of things to argue either way tbh but their are more details here: http://techon.nikkeibp.co.jp/english/NEWS_EN/20080613/153276/ Here is a video of the car which you simple add water to for it to run http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eb9urNUFzAM If what your saying is true then its very misleading as reading the articles from a 'lay' person point of view it seems that its defying physics because the hydrogen powered generator produces enough electricity to power itself, the cars motors and charge the batteries? I.E its producing more energy than is needed to convert the hydrogen? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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