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Pabs
31-05-08, 23:11
Hey All,

If you have a Clifford Alarm that is a few years old, or perhaps a Clifford alarm that no longer chirps
when you lock/unlock the car (with the setting switched on) READ-ON!


Information

Clifford very cleverly (yeah, right!) designed their alarms so that they use a backup battery so continue to
provide power to the system even when the cables are cut. This is a good idea, but can lead into issues as the
alarms age, because batteries don't last forever!


The problem

Within the siren unit itself, Clifford placed a Nicad backup battery. As you probably know, Nicads
suffer from the "memory effect" whereby if left on charge, or not fully cycled properly, no longer hold their
charge. Here's the clever bit: (and you can check your manual for proof) To alert the owner of a failed backup
battery, Clifford decided to set the alarm to NOT CHIRP when you lock/unlock the car when the battery was dead.
Nice warning, huh? Some people wouldn't even notice!

The solution

To fix this, we need to replace the backup battery. These batteries contain 6 cells, each cell is 1/2 the length
of a standard AA battery. The total voltage of the battery is 7.2V. A suitable battery pack replacement can be
purchased from ebay for around £13 delivered, or probably from Maplins, or even custom made for less. The standard Nicad is 350mah, replacements of 550mah are a good idea as they will last longer.

Here is a photo of the culprit (new ebay Ni-mh battery on the left, old ni-cad on right):

http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j241/godatguitar/Supra/Clifford_Battery/Dsc00308.jpg

And here's what you need to do!

1. Unlock the vehicle and place the alarm into Valet mode (the indicator LED will turn on constantly). Disconnect
the main battery from the car by removing the negative lead, obviously making sure you know all of your stereo
codes etc.

2. Locate the Clifford Siren, usually within the engine bay of the vehicle.

3. Remove the siren from the bracket, which can usually be done by loosening both bolts (1 either side of the
siren housing) and pulling the siren down and out. Alternatively, undo 1 bolt completely (catch those bolts and
nuts!!) and the unscrew the bracket from the car.

4. With the siren out of the engine bay, carefully pull as much cable slack as possible to enable you to move
the siren for easier access.

5. Using a posi-driver, remove the two long screws entering the rear of the siren housing. This will enable the
speaker at the front to drop out of the case. Be careful not to drop it and put strain on the cables.

6. On the side of the siren case, you will find the cable entry point. Undo the 4 posi-drive screws from the
bracket, and carefully prise it away from the housing, as it will most likely be glued in place.

7. With the cable bracket removed, the cable should be free to move in and out of the case. Feed some of the
cable slack INTO the housing, and this will enable you to remove the alarm PCB (circuit board) out from the
front, where the speaker used to be.

8. Keep feeding slack through as necessary to get the PCB well clear of the alarm. You should now have something
like this:

http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j241/godatguitar/Supra/Clifford_Battery/Dsc00311.jpg

9. The battery is the big bit sat on top of the PCB. To remove this, cut both cable ties, ensuring that when
the battery is free you retain the plastic sheet that the battery is sitting on.

10. You now have 2 options - 1 is to un-solder the red and black cables from the PCB that connect to the battery
, or you can cut both cables somewhere between the two, and then strip/resolder the new battery to these. I
opted for the latter because the PCB is heavily populated with components near to the solder joints and I didn't
want to damage anything.


11. With the old battery out, it's time to put the new one in! Strip all wire ends (2 on battery and if you
chose the latter in #10 the 2 fly-leads on the PCB) and "tin" them so that they are ready to be joined. Don't
forget the heatshrink material to insulate the joins afterwards.


12. With the new battery soldered on, place the plastic sheet you threw away in step #9 (lol) under the battery
and then onto the PCB as it was before. Use 2 cable ties to resecure the battery to the PCB.

13. Feed the PCB back into the siren housing, ensuring it slots into the PCB guides in the sides. As you slide
it in, pull through the slack in the cable so as not to trap it.

14. When all slack is removed from the case, and PCB held in nicely, reattach the cable bracket using the 4
screws to clamp it in place on the side of the unit.

15. Slot the siren speaker back into the front of the case, and reattach using the 2 long screws.

16. Replace the alarm into the bracket, and tighten the bolts as necessary.

17. Reattach your main battery to the car, and assuming you put it into Valet mode as in step #1, the alarm will
return to valet mode. If you didn't, find your car keys and turn the alarm off!

18. Test your alarm! You should find that the chirps on lock/unlock are now present, and the proximity sensor
chirps work again too!

Enjoy :)


P.S - any Clifford retailer will try to sell you a new siren at the cost of approx £90 - the above solution
is much cheaper, and only takes around 15mins to do!

jaymdee
01-06-08, 16:53
Nice one mate.

Will give this ago and hope it may fix my lack of chips too :) Still not sure why the remote central locking doesn't unlock the doors though (but locking works fine:shrug:)

Pabs
01-06-08, 16:54
I'm going to try and add some more photos to this when I get the chance...

Ian R
01-06-08, 16:59
Cool right up. Remembers for future reference

MRX
01-06-08, 19:14
Thanks mate!!! Was just about to make a post asking why mine has just stopped chirping. Had it plugged in to my cliffnet wizard this afternoon and couldn't figure it out. Do you have a link to them on ebay? I want to make sure I get the right ones.

Pabs
01-06-08, 19:20
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=370049039066

That's the one I bought. Steveo-evo is the seller, but hasn't relisted any at the moment.

As mentioned - I'm sure you could get the battery pack from maplins or similar, but as I didn't know what the battery looked like, let alone anything else, I bought from him. Hopefully the info above will save people a few quid.

MRX
02-06-08, 12:10
Have mailed Steveo, thanks for the info mate!

Scotster
02-06-08, 12:14
Damn wish i had known this. My alarm didn't give me the chirps but it was because i thought they were turned off. The alarm started going nuts so i ended up changing the whole thing over for a new one! Argghhh.

Oh well, you live and you learn :)

Pabs
02-06-08, 14:04
Yeh - it bugged me because I even had the Clifford software and cable - and I made sure the settings were set to LOUD or even QUIET, but neither made a noise.

I first found out the issue because I disconnected my battery and reconnected it after taking the dash out - the chirps started working again, but only for a day or two.

This is because the Nicads get the "memory effect" and by disconnecting the battery you drain the backup battery, and upon reconnection you effectively charge it again. But it doesn't hold it's charge so eventually stops making the noise.

How the hell Clifford thought that turning off the chirps would WARN you that the battery was flat I don't know - would have been better to make MORE noise! I suppose this wasn't possible with a flat battery though.

MRX
23-06-08, 09:39
Anyone found a source for these? I cant seem to get one :(

Pabs
23-06-08, 11:12
if steveo can tell you what the mAH rating of the batteries, then Maplins can probably supply....
but I suspect it's the fact steveo hasn't replied to you that you're asking?

MRX
23-06-08, 11:27
I asked him to let me know next time he sells one, whish he was happy to do, but as yet no news from him.

MRX
23-06-08, 13:44
Just had an update from Steveo -


Hi m8,

Got some kits in stock now, limited availability though.

The original batteries are Ni-cads 350mAh These new kits are Nickel-metal-Hydride with 550mAh which basically means they are loads better.
They will last twice as long as the Ni-cads and sound the siren for much longer when the vehicle battery is disconnected under attack.

Here's a quick link to buy:-

NiMH Repair Kit (https://www.paypal.com/uk/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=_flow&SESSION=CN6-cylXr0N8zIJEeWPUhes2APbbe9jUrEqnQDm2vcZ3uprgwpsE-4BSsIW&dispatch=5885d80a13c0db1f1ff80d546411d7f84f1036d8f209d3d1d1a60b0b34578c41)

Don't forget to let me have your full name & address :o)

Steve

So I have ordered one :d

MRX
24-06-08, 09:56
If anyone else has a problem in the future, this guy is also a source:

From: Graeme Simpson [mailto:gsimpson@iftc.co.uk]
Sent: 24 June 2008 09:27
To: Rob
Subject: RE: Clifford

Hi Rob,

Yep still do the batteries with fitting instructions for the Clifford Alarms, they are £14.50 incl recorded delivery postage.

If you want one you can paypal to: gayle@f2s.com

We are currently on holiday down the south of England but will be home on Saturday and can send one out straight away.


Graeme

Pabs
24-06-08, 10:07
interesting info - thanks for that mate! So they are going from Ni-cads to Ni-mhs then... and a higher output.
I'll update my first post :)

TyranoSupraRex
24-06-08, 10:14
Nice writeup. I thought mine had gone, but it turned out the siren was right next to the turbos, so after some vigorous driving the heat from the turbos was stopping the siren working for about a day and a ahlf, and then magically work again :)

MRX
27-06-08, 17:25
Just as an update/feedback on this to anyone doing it in the future.

Done the battery swap last night, was extremely easy took about 15 mins. When I tested it it still didn't beep on arming/disarming, so stripped it down and tested connections with multimeter and was connected fine. Assumed that the batteries needed some time to charge so just left it for the night and tested this morning but still no chirping. Drove the 3 miles to work and upon locking the car the alarm chirped nice and loud! So can only assume that the car needed to be started and turned off for the alarm to be reset and start chirping again.

Pabs
28-06-08, 11:36
Just as an update/feedback on this to anyone doing it in the future.

Done the battery swap last night, was extremely easy took about 15 mins. When I tested it it still didn't beep on arming/disarming, so stripped it down and tested connections with multimeter and was connected fine. Assumed that the batteries needed some time to charge so just left it for the night and tested this morning but still no chirping. Drove the 3 miles to work and upon locking the car the alarm chirped nice and loud! So can only assume that the car needed to be started and turned off for the alarm to be reset and start chirping again.


Interesting - I never needed to do this myself. I did check my battery with a multimeter when I received it and it was fully charged, and once it was soldered into place I checked the voltage across the solder connections on the board to make sure the connections were good. Mine worked straight away - but it's good to know what you did just in case it's not the same for everyone!

Glad it's working now though! I've switched the chirping to the "quiet" version, so it doesn't make me jump out of my skin every time I arm/disarm :D

b'have
28-06-08, 11:42
Just as an update/feedback on this to anyone doing it in the future.

Done the battery swap last night, was extremely easy took about 15 mins. When I tested it it still didn't beep on arming/disarming, so stripped it down and tested connections with multimeter and was connected fine. Assumed that the batteries needed some time to charge so just left it for the night and tested this morning but still no chirping. Drove the 3 miles to work and upon locking the car the alarm chirped nice and loud! So can only assume that the car needed to be started and turned off for the alarm to be reset and start chirping again.

Result! Don't supose you know how to disable the auto locking on a Clifford? I just know that sooner or later I'm going to lock myself out :(

Scotster
28-06-08, 11:43
Result! Don't supose you know how to disable the auto locking on a Clifford? I just know that sooner or later I'm going to lock myself out :(

Been there and done that. I'm not sure on the combination but if you go to www.clifford.com (http://www.clifford.com) you can download the usermanual for the alarm you have. All the combo's are in there :)

b'have
28-06-08, 11:45
Been there and done that. I'm not sure on the combination but if you go to www.clifford.com (http://www.clifford.com) you can download the usermanual for the alarm you have. All the combo's are in there :)

Thanks mate, problem is, I have no idea which model it is (was fitted before I had the car and no paperwork:()

MRX
28-06-08, 11:48
Result! Don't supose you know how to disable the auto locking on a Clifford? I just know that sooner or later I'm going to lock myself out :(

If you know where the control unit is we could hook it up to my cliffnet wizzard?

b'have
28-06-08, 11:54
If you know where the control unit is we could hook it up to my cliffnet wizzard?

Could you bring it to the meet on Tues? I will have a hunt for the control unit.
Many thanks :)

MRX
28-06-08, 12:13
Could you bring it to the meet on Tues? I will have a hunt for the control unit.
Many thanks :)

Will do :)

Scotster
28-06-08, 12:19
Could you bring it to the meet on Tues? I will have a hunt for the control unit.
Many thanks :)

It will most likely be behind your stereo (PITA).

What does your fob look like?

Is it like this http://www.btinternet.com/~madmole/images/Alarm.1.jpg

Pete
28-06-08, 13:59
Result! Don't supose you know how to disable the auto locking on a Clifford? I just know that sooner or later I'm going to lock myself out :(

I was playing with the Cliffnet the other day and thought it would be a good idea to enable it. How wrong was I? Three days later and I'm swapping the cars over in the drive and mange to lock myself out of the car with the engine running. Luckily I was at my house so no drama, just get the spare.

Pabs
28-06-08, 14:21
I don't fully understand some of the settings in cliffnet (such as the auto-lock at RPM - where do you set the RPM it locks at??)

I don't have the lock upon auto-arming feature on, but I do have the auto-arming on. That said, if I switch auto-arming off, it makes no difference at all - the LED does still start flashing after about 30 seconds regardless - I think this is the immobiliser etc kicking in though.

b'have
28-06-08, 14:23
It will most likely be behind your stereo (PITA).

What does your fob look like?

Is it like this http://www.btinternet.com/~madmole/images/Alarm.1.jpg

This is the fob, I thought the settings could be changed from these buttons.

Pabs
28-06-08, 14:25
Yes - the majority of the settings can be changed from the main keyfob. However, you'll need to know which alarm you have to then download the manual - then you can figure out which button sequence it is to change the setting you want.

Cliffnet makes it much easier (assuming you have the cliffnet port somewhere in the car?)

Pete
28-06-08, 14:31
I don't fully understand some of the settings in cliffnet (such as the auto-lock at RPM - where do you set the RPM it locks at??)
About 2000 - that's generally when I'm on the move.

heckler
28-06-08, 14:36
how do you connect to the clifford alarm? I have a cable and software, but my laptop wont "talk" to the alarm.... Is there more than one cable available?

Pete
28-06-08, 14:43
That's about all there is to it. As long as the COM port is working fine.
Are you doing it via a USB COM port or does your laptop have a physical hardware port?

heckler
28-06-08, 14:49
That's about all there is to it. As long as the COM port is working fine.
Are you doing it via a USB COM port or does your laptop have a physical hardware port?

Usb...

Pete
28-06-08, 15:30
Usb...

Could be your problem. :(

heckler
28-06-08, 15:31
Could be your problem. :(

ahha... usb -> RS232 converter?

I know you can get the G5 cliffnet wizzard which uses a usb cable, but would it work with g4 system?

Pabs
28-06-08, 15:34
About 2000 - that's generally when I'm on the move.

sorry - bad wording on my part - HOW do you set the RPM to lock at?

Currently mine locks instantly, which is annoying as I reverse out of the garage, and then the missus needs to get in, but the door is locked... (perhaps that's a bonus lol)

Pabs
28-06-08, 15:36
ahha... usb -> RS232 converter?

I know you can get the G5 cliffnet wizzard which uses a usb cable, but would it work with g4 system?

Si - I have the G5 Cliffnet wizard on my Concept 600 (G4) and it works fine.... at least it seems to.

heckler
28-06-08, 15:36
Si - I have the G5 Cliffnet wizard on my Concept 600 (G4) and it works fine.... at least it seems to.

:thumbs:

derek300zx
06-07-08, 15:18
Hi, I have a Clifford Arrow 3 on my supra, locks and chirps every time, but when trying to unlock/disarm next morning it wont do so, this only seems to happen when it has been on for a period of time. Can any one help

G-NEMIE
06-07-08, 15:45
Hi, I have a Clifford Arrow 3 on my supra, locks and chirps every time, but when trying to unlock/disarm next morning it wont do so, this only seems to happen when it has been on for a period of time. Can any one help

click (http://www.mkivsupra.net/vbb/showpost.php?p=1970546&postcount=1)

AndyT
06-07-08, 15:56
click (http://www.mkivsupra.net/vbb/showpost.php?p=1970546&postcount=1)

:d Lol.