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Hi Chaps
my friend has a 200sx S13.. however he has a S14 turbo put on it as an "upgrade" - im guessing this isnt gonna make to much of difference to the manifold or will it and are ther any other things he needs to consider when running this at higher bar?
also he informs me he has a blitz sus Air intake on it .. is this the same as teh supra and gonna be just sucking up hot air.. whats the take on havin a blitz sus on 200sx anyway?
cheers
He is best joining up to www.sxoc.com, it is totally free and they have a dedicated S13 tech section.
He is best joining up to www.sxoc.com, it is totally free and they have a dedicated S13 tech section.
15 quid membership i think chappie! ive been on a him tojoin! i think he will. im gonna tyr and help it out by doing a few parts that need doing to it to get it back on the road. hehe drifters! lol
When he is signs up copy and paste this thread, gives you a full write up on T25 to T28 fitting. ;)
http://www.sxoc.co.uk/vbb/showthread.php?t=17930&highlight=t28+fitting
The engines are a bit weak IMHO, as a few of us have found out so far :) Cracking little cars otherwise..
15 quid membership i think chappie! ive been on a him tojoin! i think he will. im gonna tyr and help it out by doing a few parts that need doing to it to get it back on the road. hehe drifters! lol
Yes it is, but that is only to access the members section. All paying or non paying members have full access to all tech sections ;)
The engines are a bit weak IMHO, as a few of us have found out so far :) Cracking little cars otherwise..
Much like most 80's / 90's Nissans unfortunately.
on the air side of things does anyone got any ideas on that.. btw this really ties in with the supra idea. actually and many many arguments over taht aswell... does fitting like and aftermarket apexi induction kit work with heat sheilding.. cos although im still swayed to leasvin the standard airbox the pipe in plastic looks crap lol
The t28 s14 turbo will fit onto the s13 manifold. Also water pipes will fit straight on and if i remember the onlt pipe which neds replacing is the oil return which u can get from apex.
Power wise there is a big improvement as the t28 is a slightly bigger and much more reliable turbo and will run 1 bar easily. If he puts on a front mount intercooler as well then the will really liven it up.
Just pray the bottom ends are healthy.
cheers for the advice boys! hes finally joined the sxoc so im quite excitied to see it come 2gether now as he wants to drift it..as all 200sx owners want to- then he wants to race me LOL
You will smoke him like he is going backwards.
as he wants to drift it..as all 200sx owners want to-
I own one and I don't ;), I do not see the point in drifting :search:.
You will smoke him like he is going backwards.
Now before I would agree with you on this, however now owning a 300bhp 200sx I am not too sure your statement is correct, I think it would be bloody close untill you reach silly speeds then the supra will 100% win.
If Firestorm get's his car to full BPU and his mate spends the money to get to 300bhp which to be honest not many S13 owners do, it would be close but still no cigar.
The S13 is a lot lighter so it has its advantages obviously, but 300bhp whilst everyone says is easy to achieve. It really isn't that cheap and not many people get there cars mapped accordingly resulting in about 230 - 240bhp examples all over the shop.
A 400bhp Auto Supra wouldn't be amazingly fast would still smoke your typical bodged claimed 300bhp S13.
The engines are a bit weak IMHO, as a few of us have found out so far :) Cracking little cars otherwise..
Have you still got yours Gav? Any plans for it?
i am goin got be BPU'ing this year.. just sorting out the essential stuff first making sure im all good. 400bhp supra to me will be fast :D esp against this 200sx.. if it is 300bhp.. surely the turbo in the sx doesnt come on til 4krpm anyway which is bout the time my 2nd turbo is kicking in.. the excelleration is far more supreme.. il be pulling away alot faster than his .. surely?
ps. its good to see james that u dont wanna drift in urs hehe! i actually quite like this car.. i think its pretty cool.
If he is running a T28 there not overly laggy, full boost at roughly 3.5k rpm IIRC don't quote me on that though.
im assuming were talking once hes got it set up to be boosting correctly. (i dont think he does - thats what we are gonna be trying to do.) i tink the easiest will be for him to get a boost controller rite? even at normal boost id smoke him lol
i am goin got be BPU'ing this year.. just sorting out the essential stuff first making sure im all good. 400bhp supra to me will be fast :D esp against this 200sx.. if it is 300bhp.. surely the turbo in the sx doesnt come on til 4krpm anyway which is bout the time my 2nd turbo is kicking in.. the excelleration is far more supreme.. il be pulling away alot faster than his .. surely?
ps. its good to see james that u dont wanna drift in urs hehe! i actually quite like this car.. i think its pretty cool.
Slightly different, I am driving an S14a. 1st gear is rubbish, second gear is better but it's 3rd gear that is the strongest and it shoots off like a rocket in that gear. Do not know if the gearing is the same as the S13.
is it heavier the s14a then? or the torque on those gears just awful till third?
is it heavier the s14a then? or the torque on those gears just awful till third?
Not got a clue mate, still reading up on them. Only had the car about 3 weeks.
ive always liked to get one and do it up a bit -- project stylie.. but thenn i think of the money and what i could do to my supra.. so i guess il wait til lim rich as hell and money isnt an object LOL
iron- man stylie!
You need to rotate the housing on the T28 to fit it to the S13 manifold. The coolant pipes are a bit of a pain to get on and off when taking the T25 off and the oil feed should be changed to a braided item when doing the job to stop future oil starvation problems. Oil drain should be fine - depending on your alignment of the turbo from rotating it, you may need to change part of the ruturn using some breather hose that slips onto metal fittings either end. You also need an air intake hose adapter for the inlet mouth - S14's are bolt on where S13's are slip on.
RE: induction kits, the stock s13 airbox is very restrictive and they do breathe better with an induction kit on. As usual you need to do something about getting it shielded from the hot engine bay air and supply a cold air feed to it - I used a length of tumble tryer type bendy vent hose and routed it from the vent under the front bumper sidelight / indicator unit up to the cone of the filter.
Cheers,
Brian.
Have you still got yours Gav? Any plans for it?
Erm, it went bang ;)
And not the bottom end either, that is still strong.... I've munched cylinder 1 and 2 by the looks of it.
cheers brian fantastic advice! :D :D
My last car was a T28 200SX S13 running full stage 2 kit (Approx 270-280 bhp, FMIC, Fuel pump, chip etc.) and my supra (330 Bhp on dyno) would destroy it... It's mainly down to the huge increase in torque. The 200 is lighter but crap off boost so I have no doubt at all that the supe would leave it!
Hence why I bought one :d
Tricky-Ricky
14-05-08, 15:09
Decated S13 will be making boost by 2,200 and full boost by 2,800 S14 will be around 200 RPM later than that, and you would be surprised how close an S14 with 300 BHP is to a TT;)
My last car was a T28 200SX S13 running full stage 2 kit (Approx 270-280 bhp, FMIC, Fuel pump, chip etc.) and my supra (330 Bhp on dyno) would destroy it... It's mainly down to the huge increase in torque. The 200 is lighter but crap off boost so I have no doubt at all that the supe would leave it!
Hence why I bought one :d
what chip can you put in it then? did u put in fuel cut defender aswell dude?
well my friends list at the moment is to decat, fmicm coilovers and lsd. spoke to him at lunch and hes telling me that the Turbo is actually working so either hes blown it or it was broken b4 i went on or for some bizare reason its not on properly.. however now hes sayin if it is broke hell put a hybrid on. im gonna go see it 2nite see whats goin on with it.
what chip can you put in it then? did u put in fuel cut defender aswell dude?
well my friends list at the moment is to decat, fmicm coilovers and lsd. spoke to him at lunch and hes telling me that the Turbo is actually working so either hes blown it or it was broken b4 i went on or for some bizare reason its not on properly.. however now hes sayin if it is broke hell put a hybrid on. im gonna go see it 2nite see whats goin on with it.
Get yourself joined up to sxoc, then you can answer your own questions it is free. ;)
Have a look at this site, these guys are highly regarded in the 200sx world. They also sells the chips. http://www.h-dev.co.uk/index2.php?page=home (http://www.h-dev.co.uk/index2.php?page=home)
im at work at the mo so i cant actually sign up til i get on net -- and i dont gots it at home :(
im at work at the mo so i cant actually sign up til i get on net -- and i dont gots it at home :(
Your mate if he has signed up will find it useful there is a shed load of stuff on it, how too guides, discounted parts (but have to pay the £15 fee).
Get yourself joined up to sxoc, then you can answer your own questions it is free. ;)
Have a look at this site, these guys are highly regarded in the 200sx world. They also sells the chips. http://www.h-dev.co.uk/index2.php?page=home (http://www.h-dev.co.uk/index2.php?page=home)
What he said!! :d:d
There's masses of info on sxoc.com and they're all really helpful.
PS I had a H-Dev Stage 2 chip and it removes the fuel cut too :)
cheers chaps! my friend has sent is payment off for full access! went to see his car lst nite...its in good nick and theres a lot he can do with it..hes hoping to have it back ont he road by next week :D
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