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Tom`s Supra
27-11-03, 19:42
Ok most of you prob dont read Redline and Fastcar but they both come with 2hr Dvds for free. The one with Redline contains alot of supra footage! However, everything they put against the supra blows the supras away! Even by a Fiesta RS Turbo! Ok it was a 2.o zetec conversion but even so! I noticed by watching the dvds the supras seem slow to pull away. Maybe coz they are autos? (Most of them) The Nissan Skyline seems to be a better car. Is it? Its put me off a bit now getting a supra lol! :blink: I thoguht they was quick!

Whitesupraboy2
27-11-03, 19:49
0 - 60 6.4sec manual NA

0-60 5.4sec i think for TT and top speed around 180


sound slow to you? I got a NA and it does bog down a bit up to bout 4500 but after that it goes some and i aint even been in a TT so i dont know what they like!:innocent:

SkyJawa
27-11-03, 19:54
Slow? Become a member and check out the owned section ;)

Suffice to say my tally so far against one make alone is:

Supra 3 Scooby 0

:D

(standing start in every case :D)

Gaz Walker
27-11-03, 19:54
Is that Dude's RS Turbo with like 20 grand on the engine (circa 380 bhp) and gearbox, thats one of the fastest (and lightest) FWD cars in the country (the second I think) racing a NA Supra?

Hardly fair ;)

Gaz.

eyefi
27-11-03, 19:59
yeah, TTsupras r slow, wouldnt have one given :baa:

Whitesupraboy2
27-11-03, 20:04
Originally posted by eyefi
yeah, TTsupras r slow, wouldnt have one given :baa:

thats why i got the NA model much faster IMHO :cool:

Tom`s Supra
27-11-03, 20:17
lol its just that every supra lost! I know they are quick but i aint driven one before so i cant say myself. Are skylines better or worse than supras.? :cool:

Bobbeh
27-11-03, 20:21
Apples and pears :)

On a motorway race, I'd rather have the Supra.. from the lights, a Skyline unless youre a demon driver who can launch a RWD car as well as an AWD car.

Both can be tuned silly, I think the Supra has a stronger stock bottom end.

Tom`s Supra
27-11-03, 20:29
Good coz the supra looks pretty as well! I will deffo still get one but cant find any yet! They are so much money for an old car! :mad:

Bobbeh
27-11-03, 20:36
There is a reason why they are still more expensive whereas 300zx's and GTO's etc have fallen a lot.. its because they are a quality car my friend, and yes the looks are the Bollocks! :cool: another reason why I own one :D

SimonB
27-11-03, 20:46
Originally posted by whitesupraboy2
0-60 5.4sec i think for TT and top speed around 180


4.9 is the official figure I believe, although I've also seen 5.1 somewhere...:D

Matt Harwood
27-11-03, 21:00
Yeah but come on... that's 5 whole seconds!

1...2....3.....4......5,wahoo 60! :innocent:

I beat a Transit at TOTB2 if that makes you feel better :innocent:

toyotasuprauk
27-11-03, 21:06
The 4.9 is for the manual and the 5.1 for the auto. Even 6.5 for the NA isn't slow!

How many cars like the BMW 330, Clio 3ltr V6 etc etc have similar 0-60 times as the NA but I don't hear people saying they are slow.

Matt Harwood
27-11-03, 21:14
By the way... Clio V6's and BMW 330's are slow... :p :innocent:

Roy
27-11-03, 21:29
without meaning to sound rude or dismissive to those (i'm sure fine and upstanding) magazines, there's actually a very good reason why we don't read those publications - they're a load of tripe ! pure fodder for young saxo/nova drivers desperate for some kind of misplaced street cred. their upgrades seem to consist of bolting the largest and most ridiculous exhaust pipes, crumbly bodykits and useless shiny bits for the most part. just my 2p :)

Stu
27-11-03, 21:51
:) Must admit I have also got a 300zx and would say the supra is a fair bit quicker especially once up to about 60 mph..as for 0-60 times these are achieved by very experienced drivers and no dis respect but your average driver is very unlikely to get these times...But at the end of the day the Supra is a very very quick car and not a great deal out there to touch it in my opinion.:innocent:

far
27-11-03, 21:55
In any media product its important to tailor both the classified and the editorial towards the readership,as such its important to keep you readership onside and show them what they want to see and hear - this way your reader remains faithfull and enjoys picking up your magazine.

Im sure you can all deduce the reason for the fiesta beating the supra in such a magazine if you follow the theory above.This pretty much ties in with what Roy said.

Steve Cargill
27-11-03, 22:06
Originally posted by Stu
:) Must admit I have also got a 300zx and would say the supra is a fair bit quicker especially once up to about 60 mph..as for 0-60 times these are achieved by very experienced drivers and no dis respect but your average driver is very unlikely to get these times...But at the end of the day the Supra is a very very quick car and not a great deal out there to touch it in my opinion.:innocent:

I did a timed 5.1 in my auto when it was pretty much stock.

MONKEYmark
27-11-03, 22:09
Originally posted by Tom`s Supra
Ok most of you prob dont read Redline and Fastcar but they both come with 2hr Dvds for free. The one with Redline contains alot of supra footage! However, everything they put against the supra blows the supras away! Even by a Fiesta RS Turbo! Ok it was a 2.o zetec conversion but even so! I noticed by watching the dvds the supras seem slow to pull away. Maybe coz they are autos? (Most of them) The Nissan Skyline seems to be a better car. Is it? Its put me off a bit now getting a supra lol! :blink: I thoguht they was quick! yeah i know what you mean. wished i would have not got mine. they are crap off mark.novas and astras beat me but when i get into drive it starts to go mad at 80mph when turbos kick in.they are crap at street racing.and watch out for the autos they have only got 3 gears and they slow to change gears.

save your money and get a cossie they more reliable that jap crap

Bobbeh
27-11-03, 22:11
:D @ Mark.

Is this the guy who owned that Pug that people ridiculed??

Steve Cargill
27-11-03, 22:15
Originally posted by MONKEYmark
autos they have only got 3 gears

Eh?

Stu
27-11-03, 22:33
:eek: "Astras and Novas beat me!!!!!" Have you turned the key yet?:p

LSR
27-11-03, 22:38
Eh? - Steve Cargill.

Must be talking about an aftermarket auto gearbox?

Supras are far from slow. I think 4.9-5.1 is a reasonable 0-60mph time for a stock TT, and a quick glance (pun intended :D) on the SFs would prove their awesome performance on the street and track. From a roll, similarly powered cars like Vettes and Vipers struggle to beat a TT Supra after the Supra pulls in a certain gear. Supras have beaten Hayabusa's, and a 1000bhp Supra has beaten a 1000bhp Viper (because of the power curve of the Sup). Very few cars, on equal factors, manage to beat Supras, on very few occassions. I think the reason why Supras @ TOTB2 got beaten was because of their tune - everything to do with the car, and its properties - power, how the power was achieved (type of turbo, amount of boost, etc).

What is up with monkeyMARK? What he says seems very out of character. I thought he was a Supra enthusiast :stupid: :twak: :blink: :conf: :innocent:

Matt Harwood
27-11-03, 22:43
Sarcasm? - Pah!, I don't think I can even spell it!!!

LSR
27-11-03, 22:44
Originally posted by Matt Harwood
Sarcasm? - Pah!, I don't think I can even spell it!!!

Strange, you just did :eek: :stupid: :blink: :p

Roy
27-11-03, 22:45
Originally posted by Matt Harwood
Sarcasm? - Pah!, I don't think I can even spell it!!!

PMSL ... :p

michael
27-11-03, 23:00
Originally posted by LSR
What is up with monkeyMARK? What he says seems very out of character. I thought he was a Supra enthusiast

Having met Mark a few times and followed his postings on here for a while I can assure you this is totally *in* character :D

Need4Speed
27-11-03, 23:31
I thought Supras were quick?! They are.

MONKEYmark
27-11-03, 23:54
hahahaha i was only messing. i would not swop supra for anything except a diablo with a sp76 turbo in bright pink

i do know the supra autos have 4 gears and they are real good in midrange. thats where i like it best. people like to compare 0-60 times of cars. how many people could get times like that on a stock car?
the supra in standard form was a good car but in decatted bpu mode its awesome as the americans would say

check out my DAWG DUDE totally awesome

or as craig daivd would say

PROPPER BO I TELL THEE

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Keith C
28-11-03, 01:08
Originally posted by Tom`s Supra
lol its just that every supra lost! I know they are quick but i aint driven one before so i cant say myself. Are skylines better or worse than supras.? :cool:

They're much better. Go to the GTR board and leave us slow Supra owners alone.

Aerotop Dave
28-11-03, 07:10
Now where are those 50-70mph timings...?

Willson
28-11-03, 08:18
Yeah supra are slow wank, especially turbo ones :sly:
Skylines do have a big advantage in a drag race, if you don't know why, you need to do some reading. :D

Supragal
28-11-03, 08:56
Surely it's down to personal preference and budget?

I was looking for a skyline originally but went for a supe in the end, the only thing I miss is the AWD, but hey, we'll see....

Paul Laing
28-11-03, 09:37
Redline - shit magazine!!!!

lust2luv
28-11-03, 10:33
Originally posted by Gaz Walker
Is that Dude's RS Turbo with like 20 grand on the engine (circa 380 bhp) and gearbox, thats one of the fastest (and lightest) FWD cars in the country (the second I think) racing a NA Supra?

Hardly fair ;)

Gaz.

Hey, that sounds like me at TOTB1.. fame at last! :thumbs: :p

One of those Fiestas ran a 14.8s 500m (c. 12.7s quarter) which beat Supras, a Skyline and a Viper on the day! Whack a big turbo on a big engine in a small car and it's gonna be mental quick, but at the end of the day it looks like a Fiesta! :rolleyes:

:looney:

Matt B
28-11-03, 12:41
Your right about the RS there is one kicking around which is very quick. Just the same as there are some very quick Escort Cossies around as well. I dare say if you asked the readership of Redline they would pick a Cossie over a Supra anyday but most are too young to know any better.

I've had a supercharged Elise with 220bhp and a TVR Tuscan with 380bhp and I was not at all dissapointed with the performace of the Soop. In fact for the money I think it's Fantastic.

I would still like a R34 if I could afford to tune it properly.

Just my 2p worth.

Cheers
:cool:

JohnK
28-11-03, 12:43
Redline, fast car, max flower, all shite.

I stand by what I have said int the past about the gutter press.

Some little derranged 17 year old with slightly dodgy eysight bolts, glues and tapes half of B&Q to his car and thinks it looks good.

The writers for the waste of tree's mags then come take a look, rag it to death, laugh a lot to themsleves then write how great it is.

Then they all sit back in the office pissing themselves laughing seeing how many more muppets have made there cars look like shite on there "advice".

toyotasuprauk
28-11-03, 13:19
As has already been said any media product is about keeping its target audience happy. I'm sure the mail shots BMW sends to its owners has no mention of the McDonald's cruise and Kev's modified 1989 316i with M3 badges and a Halfords tailpipe.:p

This is no different, these magazines want to portray this image. If someone spends 20K modifying a Fiesta then compares it to a stock NA Supra its going to be quicker! If you spent 20K modifying a Supra then racing a standard Fiesta then that's going to be quicker too. :sly:

There was a video going around a while ago with a Supra beating loads of top end exotics that we enjoyed watching I guess its the same principle. :)

JohnK
28-11-03, 13:23
As has already been said any media product is about keeping its target audience happy.

I totally agree, my point it the jurno's are in it for there own amusment.

Willson
28-11-03, 13:30
Heres some vids of those slow pos's

http://www.mkivsupra.net/vbb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=13651&highlight=viper

Willson
28-11-03, 15:28
Originally posted by Tom`s Supra
They are so much money for an old car! :mad:

Yeah don't buy one, they are a rip off. Unreliable, slow, badly engineered ........the list goes on.

You can get much better cars for the money.

LSR
28-11-03, 15:38
Originally posted by Willson
Heres some vids of those slow pos's

http://www.mkivsupra.net/vbb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=13651&highlight=viper

:stupid:

Those cars might be slow in relation to the Supra, but they aren't POS's, and they are fast in a general context, just not in context to the mighty Supra :cool: . For a car to be fast in a general context, I have to define that I only mean for road cars at 80k and less, and for a person who isn't an F1 racing driver, but more for someone who works in an office and goes on trackdays, drag racing...:innocent:

Steve W2
28-11-03, 15:51
Before I even uttered a words like the Supra is slow I would go and have a go in one and then come back and apologise to us all for being a silly billy:p

Okay a fiesta beat a Supe, I paid less than 10K for my car, how much did that Fiesta cost, how reliable is it as a daily driver and how shit does it look?

Question answered.

AVE IT!!:sex:

Marco
28-11-03, 16:01
I beat a Ferrari 355 a while ago on a motorway... so its not slow after all! Was my best kill ever :eyebrows:

Willson
28-11-03, 16:12
LSR, I was talking about the supe, and I was being sarcastic :baa:

Still, I like the way you misinterpreted it :D

michael
28-11-03, 19:30
Originally posted by MfS
I beat a Ferrari 355 a while ago on a motorway... so its not slow after all! Was my best kill ever :eyebrows:

Likewise, the first week I had the Supra I had a bit of a do with a 355 and pulled away - that was when the car was standard too, wish I could have another go now :)

I still get beaten off the lights by 1.0L Fiestas though :)

*shrug*

Matt B
29-11-03, 09:04
One thing I thought I should point out is that although most think these mags are utter shite, it can't be forgotten that at least two of them have had, and moddified Soops in the past as project cars and therefore I don't think they have a bad opinion of them at all.:)

Plus not being funny as I'm not!!!:p but the supra has to be one of the most "Max Power" cars to most outsiders because of The Fast and the Furious.

I don't think we should always bang on about kids and there Fiesta's as I myself went through the "polishing a turd" stage when it was all I could afford, and I'm still into modding now with my Supra.

I'm not trying to completely defend these mags just give a different point of view.

Cheers

:cool:

Trig
29-11-03, 11:49
Yeah im with Matt on this one. I went through a Turd polishing stage too. My car before my beloved supe arrived was an XR3i! Thankfully i moved up in the world (rather quickly!) but am still into modding, especially when it involves my supe! :thumbs:

Willson
29-11-03, 12:36
I think this is the latest one ?

http://www.supraforums.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=153236&highlight=redline+magazine