View Full Version : Mapping AEM - why should you settle for second best?
torque monster
06-03-08, 22:24
Dimitri I. Keramidas - "the Mad Scientist" , is generally regarded by many of those in this board "in the know" as being probably THE best AEM mapper in Europe. He has been mapping high performance Supras since 2001, he tunes cars virtually every working day in his Greece homeland, and maps around 70-80 cars on AEM a year all around Europe. He maps not just Supra's, last week he was re-mapping a 1300bhp drag car at over 3 bar...
Many of you on this board have commissioned Dimitri to map their Supras. Typically you pay his airfare, he stays at your home or at a local hotel, you buy 4 hours of local dyno time, and you pay him for mapping your car. In the past, this could prove a little expensive, but hey, your Supra's have been worth it, and certainly he always delivers a great tune in the dyno time available. But certainly always just that bit more expensive than getting say, a local UK tuner.
Now Miami GT has an exclusive deal in UK with Dimitri, and he will be running approximately 6 AEM clinics this year just for Supra's, on our Dyno Dynamics dyno. We fly him in, feed and water him and provide all the dyno and workshop facilities, you get the benefit.
For £600 all in, you get your car tuned by Dimitri, no matter how long it takes on our dyno (one took 7 1/2 hours to complete last weekend). This guy is the VERY BEST, and if he can't improve on your current tune in bhp and torque figures, we give your £600 right back to you. Simple, we are that confident. No messing about arguing over AEM logs and AFR's..or the size of the dyno fans, or what gear you should run the car in, or the rest of the C**P some insecure folks put up. Better than ANY tuner in the UK or you don't pay a penny to us!
Think about it, and add up the £ figures, and then try to justify to yourself why you wouldn't just bring your car to Miami GT for a mapping or re-map from your existing tune , that is if you want the very best.
You may already have your favourite tuner...someone you trust with your precious Supra. All I can say having seen this guy in action, he's good, very good, and every mapping session we do together, I am certainly learning and learning more...what do you have to lose?
Next session at end of March is fully booked, and the one after that in April nearly full, but if you are interested in getting Dimitri and Miami GT to remap for you then please PM me and I will give you details of future dates.
Why settle for second best?;)
Is Supra-chat really the place for a sales pitch?
;)
ps
nothing against it, just perhaps a more appropriate place for it i.e. your own trader section? :D
if he can't improve on your current tune in bhp and torque figures, we give your £600 right back to you. Simple, we are that confident.
Having only read good things about Dimitri that sounds like a fantastic deal. The above comment is slightly odd, in the fact If I was to come for a mapping session, I'd leave happy having 'lost' 5bhp if the car was much nicer to drive, than someone hp hunting and making the car a b*tch to drive.
I'm sure Dimitri wouldn't be like this, just seems a very strange thing to guarantee :)
I think you need to reword/rethink your sales pitches, I am sure you dont mean to but they come across as very arrogant, just my thoughts on it.
Best of luck with it though.
Think you will find a few arrogant sounding mappers on here wez ...
Think you will find a few arrogant sounding mappers on here wez ...
Dont get me wrong here, my comment was directed at the sales pitch not Dimitri.
I never said Dimitri is arrogant, in fact each time I have spoken with him he has been very helpful.
Decent deal id say, Dimitri is highly regarded.
hmm...thats a looong drive for me, but would like to take part in that deal :-(
hmm...thats a looong drive for me, but would like to take part in that deal :-(
Arnout is probs better for you.:)
fastisnice
07-03-08, 12:32
My vote for Dimitri anytime. He is one of the most knowledgable supra tuners not just AEM. He has done a lot of work on my car and im 100% satisfied. :)
When I had the orange car I looked at getting something like this organised but pulled out and settled on Motec and a local mapper. My concern with using mappers from overseas is what happens if things go awry after they have left to go home? You cant exactly call them up and meander down to see them eh?
When I had the orange car I looked at getting something like this organised but pulled out and settled on Motec and a local mapper. My concern with using mappers from overseas is what happens if things go awry after they have left to go home? You cant exactly call them up and meander down to see them eh?
Good point.
fastisnice
07-03-08, 18:59
Ecus are only mapped once, unless you add or remove bits afterwards.
Ecus are only mapped once, unless you add or remove bits afterwards.
Not really true, they also need lots of tinkering after to perfect it, a tune done on 1 day doesn't always get the cold starts or hot starts nailed perfectly
Not really true, they also need lots of tinkering after to perfect it, a tune done on 1 day doesn't always get the cold starts or hot starts nailed perfectly
Exactly.
Andyhannah
07-03-08, 19:09
Not really true, they also need lots of tinkering after to perfect it, a tune done on 1 day doesn't always get the cold starts or hot starts nailed perfectly
That is why we bring him here every month and he is here for 3 days at a time, and why i consistently call my customers to make sure everything is fine and they are happy.
If the car needs tweaking it gets done for nothing as they have paid for the car mapping once:)
Andy
Not really true, they also need lots of tinkering after to perfect it, a tune done on 1 day doesn't always get the cold starts or hot starts nailed perfectly
Surely his experience would go a long way to having that down pat?
Sounds like such a good deal, shame i don't have a standalone lol.
Scott =op
Andyhannah
07-03-08, 19:15
Surely his experience would go a long way to having that down pat?
Sounds like such a good deal, shame i don't have a standalone lol.
Scott =op
Thats easily sorted scott:p
Surely his experience would go a long way to having that down pat?
Sounds like such a good deal, shame i don't have a standalone lol.
Scott =op
It's not a fault in the mapper, a lot of it's dependent on the car that particular day, environment etc.
Haha, yeah if only.
I don't have the need for one at the moment but its something i would definitely like to have at one point. Even if it was overkill for BPU i just think it would be more refined than the Mines i have ;)
Scott =op
It's not a fault in the mapper, a lot of it's dependent on the car that particular day, environment etc.
Really? I thought if you had mapped say 20 cars with similar specs you would know what to input, well near as damnit.
I wouldn't have a clue where to start with mapping and i really know very little about whats involved, it just seems strange that it would be hard to get in the ballpark after 100's or 1000's of maps under your belt.
Scott =op
dangerous brain
07-03-08, 19:20
Arnout is probs better for you.:)
Yups at least you stay euro side. That said is there a ferry to the north of england from denmark?
Really? I thought if you had mapped say 20 cars with similar specs you would know what to input, well near as damnit.
I wouldn't have a clue where to start with mapping and i really know very little about whats involved, it just seems strange that it would be hard to get in the ballpark after 100's or 1000's of maps under your belt.
Scott =op
That's the issue though mate, they can get within the ballpark easy enough, it's the fine tuning / perfecting that needs more work on different days etc
That is why we bring him here every month and he is here for 3 days at a time, and why i consistently call my customers to make sure everything is fine and they are happy.
If the car needs tweaking it gets done for nothing as they have paid for the car mapping once:)
Andy
Ah right. I assumed he was over 6 times tops as that is what your dad said in his initial post.
Andyhannah
07-03-08, 19:26
Ah right. I assumed he was over 6 times tops as that is what your dad said in his initial post.
I blame age col lol:p
I blame age col lol:p
Mine or your dad's? :D
Andyhannah
07-03-08, 19:29
Mine or your dad's? :D
No comment:p;):)
Arnout is probs better for you.:)
Who's this Arnout, and where is he located?
Who's this Arnout, and where is he located?
Have a look here friend.
http://www.supras.nl/
Either in the UK in MiamiGT or in the Netherlands in Supras.nl it´s the same guy tuning.
The starting up sequence that everybody is afraid of, is checked 2 mornings and several times during the day. Since I´m usually coming in Friday noon time, it´s checked once Friday night, then Saturday morning and then Sunday morning, unless of course the customer is so impatient to drive the car after tuning, that they don´t give me the opportunity to double check the really cold starts.
The nice part about the guys in Miami-Gt is that their dyno really gives you the opportunity to simulate every possible load condition. This way i can get a vehicle tuned almost at the very best , without even leaving the dyno. I basically only have to check the decel fuel on the road and that`s all. The simulation we did with Andrew Senior the previous time was really very detailed and we had the opportunity with the brake loading of their dyno to tune the 3 vehicles much much better than on the road. One more very interesting thing is that their fan can really move some air, and even though my worries were that maybe we won´t have enough air velocity to simulate the road, after the first dyno loggings, i was extemely happy with the results.
One last thing and i´m out for this weekend as it is a holiday this weekend here in Greece. I believe that spending about 4-5 hours on the dyno for a vehicle, is equivalent to about 2-3 days of road mapping. Just from my experience, i can get to almost 90-95% of the possibilies on the engine on this dyno, and to get that on the road, we need at least 2-3 nights and about tripple the gasoline, and of course danger, cops, tires wearing out etc. etc. This is a good deal. Cheers to everybody. and have a nice weekend.
Nice interesting post by dimitri. Not sure about the first post.... will sit back and observe i think....even though mine need tweaking.
If the car needs tweaking it gets done for nothing as they have paid for the car mapping once:)
surely this wouldnt need to be done if the mapper was that good with so much experience under his belt?
just a throught :search:
The kind of detail from the posts here makes this a fairly astonishing deal.
It cost me £400 to map my bike. 5 years ago.:blink:
Either in the UK in MiamiGT or in the Netherlands in Supras.nl it´s the same guy tuning.
The starting up sequence that everybody is afraid of, is checked 2 mornings and several times during the day. Since I´m usually coming in Friday noon time, it´s checked once Friday night, then Saturday morning and then Sunday morning, unless of course the customer is so impatient to drive the car after tuning, that they don´t give me the opportunity to double check the really cold starts.
The nice part about the guys in Miami-Gt is that their dyno really gives you the opportunity to simulate every possible load condition. This way i can get a vehicle tuned almost at the very best , without even leaving the dyno. I basically only have to check the decel fuel on the road and that`s all. The simulation we did with Andrew Senior the previous time was really very detailed and we had the opportunity with the brake loading of their dyno to tune the 3 vehicles much much better than on the road. One more very interesting thing is that their fan can really move some air, and even though my worries were that maybe we won´t have enough air velocity to simulate the road, after the first dyno loggings, i was extemely happy with the results.
One last thing and i´m out for this weekend as it is a holiday this weekend here in Greece. I believe that spending about 4-5 hours on the dyno for a vehicle, is equivalent to about 2-3 days of road mapping. Just from my experience, i can get to almost 90-95% of the possibilies on the engine on this dyno, and to get that on the road, we need at least 2-3 nights and about tripple the gasoline, and of course danger, cops, tires wearing out etc. etc. This is a good deal. Cheers to everybody. and have a nice weekend.
Nothing like an unbiased opinion :)
New to the scene............this sounds like an awesome deal!!!
What about the comedy graphs? What happened there?
Nothing like an unbiased opinion :)
Whoever knows me, knows that I´m completely unbiased and I call things as they are, and not as they should be.
Cheers
DK
Whoever knows me, knows that I´m completely unbiased and I call things as they are, and not as they should be.
Cheers
DK
But isn't that difficult when you are talking about yourself and the company that pays you to map?
Don't get me wrong, I am sure you are very good at what you do. My big grip here is that intimation by the OP that everyone else in this country is second rate.
Colin,
are you in Greece, if yes stop by the shop to drive one of my tuned cars, and then we talk about it. I´m pretty sure than you will have a different opinion about fully tuned vehicles afterwards. 100% sure.
Cheers
DK
But isn't that difficult when you are talking about yourself and the company that pays you to map?
Don't get me wrong, I am sure you are very good at what you do. My big grip here is that intimation by the OP that everyone else in this country is second rate.
I agree with CJ on this one. What your basically saying is that the map on my car is second rate? and I am very confident that i could take you out in the car and you would be 100% convinced that its not!
Again im not knocking M-GT or yourself or the work they/you have done just dont understand why you have to 'rubbish' other mappers in your advertisement? surely your performance indicators are the cars(i.e spec, bhp, 1/4miles) and customers feedback on here (i.e. drivability, cold starts etc etc)?
I would be really interested from a technical point of view if you could upload the last 3 cars dyno plots that you mapped (with customer permission) and explain technically how you managed to get the best out of that car/spec? As a 'customer' thats the sort of thing that would impress me!
RobSheffield
10-03-08, 17:56
Yes, please post maps up so we can see the details :)
Supra_Dori
10-03-08, 18:00
That is why we bring him here every month and he is here for 3 days at a time, and why i consistently call my customers to make sure everything is fine and they are happy.
If the car needs tweaking it gets done for nothing as they have paid for the car mapping once:)
Andy
thats fair enough, cant argue with that :d
How about a bet Rob, next time I´m in the UK?
How about a bet Rob, next time I´m in the UK?
You can use mine as an example if you want Dimitri. :D
Whoever knows me, knows that I´m completely unbiased and I call things as they are, and not as they should be.
Cheers
DK
You'll be doing mine anyway Dimitri,I have full confidence it will be a monster when you have finished working your magic with it!:cool:
Strange question:
With you being so confident, would you be prepared to map my car but save the previous map. Give me a chance to drive it (with you staying with me) and then if im impressed enough i pay and if im not you re-load the old map and there is no cost involved.
Im not talking BHP figures as mentioned in the first post but the actual drive of the car... bearing in mind im reasonably/semi happy with my current map.
I would be really interested from a technical point of view if you could upload the last 3 cars dyno plots that you mapped (with customer permission) and explain technically how you managed to get the best out of that car/spec? As a 'customer' thats the sort of thing that would impress me!
Yes, please post maps up so we can see the details
:werd:
Strange question:
With you being so confident, would you be prepared to map my car but save the previous map. Give me a chance to drive it (with you staying with me) and then if im impressed enough i pay and if im not you re-load the old map and there is no cost involved.
Im not talking BHP figures as mentioned in the first post but the actual drive of the car... bearing in mind im reasonably/semi happy with my current map.
intresting proposition Jon :)
Strange question:
With you being so confident, would you be prepared to map my car but save the previous map. Give me a chance to drive it (with you staying with me) and then if im impressed enough i pay and if im not you re-load the old map and there is no cost involved.
Im not talking BHP figures as mentioned in the first post but the actual drive of the car... bearing in mind im reasonably/semi happy with my current map.
Come one you guys, you know me by now so much, I would love to take on this bet. Are you kidding me, i live for this stuff. Next time I´m there, talk with Andy to have yours in the schedule as well. I have a feeling the next session will be about 5-6 days.
Goodnight to everybody, just came back from the house we got in the country and i´m dead tired. Cheers
dangerous brain
10-03-08, 22:27
Strange question:
With you being so confident, would you be prepared to map my car but save the previous map. Give me a chance to drive it (with you staying with me) and then if im impressed enough i pay and if im not you re-load the old map and there is no cost involved.
Im not talking BHP figures as mentioned in the first post but the actual drive of the car... bearing in mind im reasonably/semi happy with my current map.
You know what that sounds like an utterly non BS request. If you are prepared to take the time to bring your car for mapping and dimitri is prepared to spend time to map the car based on your satisfaction deciding payment thats both parties prepared to take a risk. Be pretty damn good advertising if Pig did decide it was worth paying for as well. Not so great if he decided his original map was better though.
You know what that sounds like an utterly non BS request. If you are prepared to take the time to bring your car for mapping and dimitri is prepared to spend time to map the car based on your satisfaction deciding payment thats both parties prepared to take a risk. Be pretty damn good advertising if Pig did decide it was worth paying for as well. Not so great if he decided his original map was better though.
How about your map in your car, who do you think tuned it as much as I could with have it standing while Arnout was working on it. I´m still waiting for Arnout to finish up on the map on the Aristo. I could only do start ups on this, and snading accels.
Cheers
Dimitri
You know what that sounds like an utterly non BS request. If you are prepared to take the time to bring your car for mapping and dimitri is prepared to spend time to map the car based on your satisfaction deciding payment thats both parties prepared to take a risk. Be pretty damn good advertising if Pig did decide it was worth paying for as well. Not so great if he decided his original map was better though.
Im glad you realised.
I was being 100% serious i would like the mapping in my car to be better. I have heard very good things about you. I was not planning on wasting a day of peoples time and money (especially my own) just to decline a map to make a statement.
Nah a bet is a bet, it won´t be wasting time at all. No worries. We´ll have fun and then we all go out for a beer.
dangerous brain
11-03-08, 21:43
How about your map in your car, who do you think tuned it as much as I could with have it standing while Arnout was working on it. I´m still waiting for Arnout to finish up on the map on the Aristo. I could only do start ups on this, and snading accels.
Cheers
Dimitri
Ah PM'd about the map as the car is causing problems that aren't relevant to this thread. And yup I know you did the map at Arnouts thats why I mentioned his place to the Danish guy earlier in here.
Andyhannah
02-04-08, 20:02
Right guys we have a few spaces free for april if anyone is interested in Dimitri mapping their cars.
Pm me if you are interested, we are looking at the 20th of april and for the following few days.
Andy
Andyhannah
04-04-08, 22:13
Anyone??
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