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SteveR
09-01-08, 19:50
*** 1 March 08: ACCOMODATION SORTED = TRIP CLOSED TO NEWCOMERS ***
Sorry!

Evening all :)

I went to the Nurburgring (http://www.nurburgring.org.uk/map.jpg) in 2006, organised a trip last year (http://www.mkivsupra.net/vbb/showpost.php?p=1500872&postcount=233) (now with videos! (http://www.mkivsupra.net/vbb/showthread.php?p=1995567#post1995567)), and was asked to organise one again this year (I might as well - I'm going regardless as it's in my blood now!)


*** 1 March 08: ACCOMODATION SORTED = TRIP CLOSED TO NEWCOMERS ***
Sorry!

[-]All welcome, new people, people who've been more than me, mates off the forum, whatever - but there will be a limit of what I can organise and to be fair to everyone it will be a first come:first served basis.

To give me an idea of who's in and what number we're looking at....
If you are seriously interested in coming along on a trip - probably 24th->29th July - please post up here saying so and I'll make sure you're kept informed of the arrangements as & when I organise them.

I expect to be making concrete ferry & accommodation bookings at the start of Feb - possibly earlier - which I can arrange but everyone will need to pay for themselves. Please be aware of this before putting your name down.

Limiting numbers - uber long convoys across 300 miles and 4 countries become counter-productive and we'll (I'll!) also struggle to find accomodation for huge numbers of people. ~10 cars and ~15 people is manageable, but I'll stretch myself a bit... much more than that and I might need a lot of persuading as the job becomes much more complicated and I aint getting paid for this! :p)

I'll update the info I provided last time over the next few days/weeks and post it up here, but expect the 5 night trip to cost in the region of £900~£1800 inclusive of everything bar any pre-trip preparations to your car. The exact amount will depend on: if you're taking a partner/friend, fuel costs (in 7 months time!), MPG, number of laps you do/don't, where we stay, how much you drink, how much touristy stuff you buy.

4 million tonnes of more info can be found on this (http://www.nurburgring.org.uk) excellent website.

Stuff you should be aware of before you say "yes please!!":
update:...can now be found below, see post 3. Ta!


That's about it for now - any questions, go for it - otherwise, get your names down! :thumbs: [/-]

SteveR
09-01-08, 19:58
To avoid any confusion I'll keep the full/latest list of parties here, in this post...
Going on this trip
1. SteveR & [Kate] - Supra
2. jaymdee - Supra
3. [jaymdee's brother] - MR2 Turbo
4. Henk - Supra
5. Bignum (aka Simon) & [Jo] - Supra
6. AndyBandit & suzuki17td (aka James) - Impreza
7. SEVENMAN & [Naomi] - SAAB 9000
8. [Joe] & ['+1'] - Yaris
9. D-Bone (aka Darren) - Supra


Plus, possibly joining us there/along the way:
MrDriver - Supra
B_18-Turbo - Supra
Kim1978 - Supra/S6?
Rolly - Starlet
Luxluc - Supra


Reserves:
in case of someone dropping out...
(PM me and I'll add you to the list)

SteveR
09-01-08, 19:58
Things you should think about

First & foremost:
Same as last year: I accept no responsibility for anything or anyone but me, but am happy to act as general trip organiser, informal guide, limited-knowledge-sharer, etc, etc, whatever. If I can help; I will - I'm just not accepting responsibility for anything but me!


If you've not been before
Please read...
this background info (http://www.nurburgring.org.uk/beginners.html) and this general guide/info (http://www.northloop.co.uk/newbies.htm) and this advice on the dos and don'ts (http://www.northloop.co.uk/safety/safety_english.pdf) and this good advice (http://bridgetogantry.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=10&Itemid=30) Thank you. :thumbs:


Passports
Please check that your passport (and the passport of anyone who may be travelling with you) won't expire any time close to/during(!) the trip.


95dB Noise limit
There is a noise limit of 95dB which unlike previous years, is apparently going to be STRICTLY enforced from this year (at the barriers and by trackside sound level monitors) after sustained complaints from some locals.

If you want to check how loud you car is, noise level meters can be bought for ~£30 from most electronics shops. Rev your car to 2/3rds of the redline value and get a friend to measure the noise 1 metre from the exhaust, and at a 45 degree angle.
Further info & guidance can be found here. (http://www.nurburgring.org.uk/noise.html)


Modifications
Car & modification safety checks will be carried out this year. (http://www.nurburgring.org.uk/tuv/index.html)

I don't think it's a big worry, and if you read these discussion posts about it (1 (http://forum.ringersforum.com/viewtopic.php?p=283231#283231), 2 (http://forum.ringersforum.com/viewtopic.php?p=283408#283408), 3 (http://forum.ringersforum.com/viewtopic.php?p=283975#283975)) it gives a bit more info, but I want people to be fully aware of the score.


Roughly how much does a trip like this cost?
Also: How many souvenirs might I buy?
How much does a lap cost?
How much fuel do you use on a lap?
...and other such questions
Answer: See attached spreadsheet for a reasonable idea. (At the bottom of this post.)


How dangerous is it? What if the worst happens and I crash?
If you treat the 'Ring as a fast road rather than a modern high-spec track with run off areas (you're never more than a few metres from unforgiving barrier), and you don't push your limits, then you shouldn't go far wrong.

However, just in case I feel a sensible insurance policy is to take a credit card with you; as you should already be aware (from the links above) apart from the expense of being dragged off the track, any damage you cause to the track, and closures and/or spillages - has to be paid for - by you. It can quickly add up if you're unlucky (http://www.nurburgring.org.uk/prices.html) (scroll down that page).

Sensible advice: If someone catches up with you; they are quicker than you - even if it is a mini (in fact he's one of the quickest drivers out there) - let them pass, then get on with your lap. If you catch someone up, wait till they spot you and they indicate to pull out of the way, then pass them ON THE LEFT and get on with your lap. The sooner a slower car is out of your way of & passed by a faster car that has caught up with it, the better & safer it is for everyone.

Reminder: When it's open to the public, normal German traffic laws apply and officially the 'Ring is a one-way toll road. Overtaking must be done on the left. Witnessed incidents of dangerous driving will be prosecuted.

In summary; drive safe, don't try to race anyone, and take along a credit card for peace of mind in case you're unlucky.


Insurance
1) Tell your insurance company that you're taking your car abroad, check that they extend your cover to Europe for the duration of the trip and take out additional cover if they don't. (Many policies will include European cover for a limited number of days per year - but it's only 'activated' if you tell them when you're going.)
2) Check you're covered FC for being on the Nurburgring OR accept the risk of damaging your car OR take out additional insurance (£££s).


Medical/Travel insurance
'E111' cards are free and will cover most medial expenses if you're eligible for one (UK citizen) but they don't cover everything, so CHECK the details (http://www.dh.gov.uk/en/Policyandguidance/Healthadvicefortravellers/Gettingtreatmentaroundtheworld/EEAandSwitzerland/DH_4114793) rather than make any potentially costly assumptions.
They also don't cover loss of passports/money/having to cancel going on the trip due to ill health or any additional medical expenses like being brought back to the UK if you get really ill.... if you're worried about these things, then purchase some travel insurance cover.


Breakdown cover
Direct Line (http://www.directline.com/european_motoring/welcome.htm) will provide temporary European cover (including repatriation to the UK) - it's too early to check prices at the moment (their system won't quote so far in advance), but - if you book at least 7 days in advance it'll also cover your travel in the UK to & from the port.
Alternatively, last year I suggested that a year's ADAC membership (http://www.nurburgring.org.uk/adac.html) (the European version of the AA) may be useful. HOWEVER this year so far ADAC's stance on recovery from the 'Ring seems to be uncertain. Have a look at the info on the page I've linked to for the latest.


Flag meanings & light signals
- Yellow: Accident, reduce speed considerably, no overtaking.
- Yellow-Red: Oil spill on course, reduce speed considerably, no overtaking.
- Red: Course blocked, stop immediately.

Last year I noticed that there are also a few yellow/red lights dotted around the track, which will flash to indicate the same scenario as the above flags - keep an eye out for these too.

It's useful to stick your hazard warning lights on if you come across any of the above; people behind will see that and understand why you're slowing, plus anyone stood on the track will know you've seen them.


PMRs / Radios / Walkie-Talkies
Essential as far as I'm concerned. If you don't have some, please get some - I bought these for last year's trip (http://www.argos.co.uk/static/Product/partNumber/5530434/Trail/C%24cip%3D50277.Office%2C%2BPC%2Band%2Bphones%3EC%24cip%3D50351.Two-way%2Bradios.htm) for only £35 and they were great.

Apart from allowing us to talk & pass the monotony that is motorway driving across Europe, I can also shout out when we'll be taking exits up ahead so and everyone can shout out if they need fuel or have any technical difficulties and need us all to stop. They're also really handy for organising things whilst at/around the 'Ring (they have a several mile range) - and a lot cheaper than making mobile calls which is the alternative.


Have you got a circuit guide?
Yes, PM me your email address and I'll send you a PDF produced by BMW (who run the 'Ring). It'll give newcomers an insight into just how technical a proper lap is, and give those of us returning for more a few exttra things to take-in or potentially aim for. There is a great sense of achievement just from driving the ideal line at a relatively slow speed. :thumbs:


Can you 'learn' where to go from video games?
Answer: Yes.
Disclaimer: But only to a degree.
Disclaimer #2: and some games are more accurate than others.

XBox/360: Forza Motorsport and Forza Motorsport 2 are fantastic guides. I do not recommend the Project Gotham series as they depict a very 'arcadey' feel to the track and in reality it's a LOT narrower and twistier.
PS2/3: From the little I've seen, the GT series of games are accurate, too.
PC: I think GP Legends is good, but note that some bits of the have changed a lot in 50 years!

In any case, use the games purely to learn if a left or a right comes next and roughly how severe it is - and does it tighten!? Ignore lap times and think more about how many times you crash off track. Don't compare the good lap you fluke and think you'll have the skills/balls/(stupidity!) to match such a time in reality.


When is the track open to the public?
Full list of dates here (http://www.mkivsupra.net/vbb/showthread.php?t=136276).
For this trip we will arrive at the 'Ring on the afternoon of the 24th, and depart mid-morning on the 29th...
24th: evening only (17:45 -> 19:30)
25th: afternoon* & evening (14:15 -> 19:30)
26th: all day & evening (08:00 -> 19:30)
27th: all day & evening (08:00 -> 19:30)
28th: evening only* (17:15 -> 19:30) - potential for a spot of sight-seeing in the day

* = Could be manufacturer testing in the morning, with a bit of luck we'll spot something exciting like last year (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ShrOWznZbns). :cool:


more below.....

SteveR
09-01-08, 19:58
...continued from above!

What do I need to take?:
As well as the stuff mentioned above...
Legal stuff:
Whilst driving abroad you must at all times you must be able to prove that you are:

licensed to drive the category of vehicle you are in
either the owner of the vehicle or that you have a owner's permission to drive (i.e. take your V5 - but don't keep it in the car)
insured

You are also legally obliged to have:

GB sticker/numberplate
Headlight deflectors (even in daylight)
Warning triangle
Spare light bulbs
Torch
First aid kit
...though I risked it and didn't have most of that.


Other stuff:

The usual travelling stuff (clothes, passport, Europe-friendly plastic),
at least enough cash* to get you supplies on the way to the 'Ring and to feed you for a night,
[-]a card that will let you withdraw cash in order to pay the B&Bs[/-] paid in advance
European maps or preferabaly sat-nav so you know wehere we're going and always have the option to go and explore at any stage (some may consider a sight-seeing route back via Spa, for example?)
Radios (see above)
Ferry booking confirmation
if we're lucky with the weather (no promises!), suncream & a hat/cap - high altitude = easy sunburn

* = There is a cash machine (http://www.northloop.co.uk/newbies.htm#cash) near the 'Ring and a couple more a decent drive away. Plan a day ahead so you don't depend on them to be working.


And if you're still reading after all that!...
You might be willing to sit through these 2 safety videos!
Official video (http://www.nurburgring.org.uk/safetyvideo/index.html)
Northloop's own version (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d6p78B8ZEfg) (much more interesting, same key info)78952

SteveR
09-01-08, 19:59
Travel Arrangements


Thinking about staying in a hotel the night before the crossing?
Have a look at this post (http://www.mkivsupra.net/vbb/showpost.php?p=1908976&postcount=213).


Ferry
Route is Dover -> Dunkerque ferry with Norfolk Line.
6am crossing out (UK time), 6pm crossing back (French time)
Dover docks postcode for your sat-nav = CT16 1JA
Map here (http://www.norfolkline.com/NR/rdonlyres/1B29D77F-E840-46B4-9C37-C9872CDB828F/922/DoverDirectionalmap1.pdf).
Note: there are roadworks planned for the A20 (the road leading to the docks) - I'm signed up to email updates and will keep everyone posted.


You must be checked-in 45 minutes prior to departure. Please allow additional time to pass through Customs and Immigration
You will be asked to show a valid passport or valid photographic EU national identity card.
For queries or amendments please call 0870 870 1020 or email doverpax@norfolkline.com


Route
The return route we took last year (http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?f=d&hl=en&geocode=&saddr=dunkerque&daddr=nurburg&sll=54.162434,-3.647461&sspn=17.81631,31.289063&ie=UTF8&z=7) worked well (all boring motorway but it's the destination that's important!) so we'll try that again. There is always the option to vary the route back.


Where are we staying?
The majority of people on the trip are staying here:
http://www.mkivsupras.co.uk/imports/2008/01/113.jpg

http://www.mkivsupras.co.uk/imports/2008/01/114.jpg

....which is here (http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?f=q&hl=en&geocode=&q=M%C3%BChlenhardtstr,+Herschbroich&sll=50.341352,6.937866&sspn=0.036263,0.089092&ie=UTF8&ll=50.367064,6.962285&spn=0.018122,0.044546&t=h&z=15), about a mile from both the track entrance and in the opposite direction, Adenau. Cunningly, it's out of the way of the routes the masses will be taking to the GP circuit for the DTM weekend. :thumbs:

The late-confirming people in the group may also be in the same place - or in similar accommodation nearby - confirmation to follow.

Ian R
09-01-08, 20:03
Is the Sierra a cossie Steve ??

SteveR
09-01-08, 20:05
Is the Sierra a cossie Steve ??
Pass, it's Si & Jo's brother James' - I've met James but never seen his car - just heard the reputation he got on the midlands gumball last year.

There is a vid of him crashing it (only a bit) at Oulton Park linked on here somewhere! :D
EDIT - here you go http://www.mkivsupra.net/vbb/showthread.php?t=133495
James is a top lad :)

Right, I'm off down the pub!

bignum
09-01-08, 20:59
Is the Sierra a cossie Steve ??

Its a granada cossie motor, with blanket and pipe to go.

Gaz Walker
09-01-08, 21:02
If you are seriously interested in coming along on a trip - probably 24th->29th July - please post up here saying so and I'll make sure you're kept informed of the arrangements as & when I organise them.

Isn't that the JAE/TOTB dates matey, that might somewhat limit the amount of interest?

Regards,

Gaz.

SteveR
09-01-08, 21:15
Isn't that the JAE/TOTB dates matey, that might somewhat limit the amount of interest?

Is it? That's a shame, at this rate I'll never get to a JAE - I was cut off by floods last year! :(
Oh well. These look like the best dates and the only ones I know I'll have a chance of making. If I have to choose, I choose 100mph+ fun ;)

Ian R
09-01-08, 21:18
Is it? That's a shame, at this rate I'll never get to a JAE - I was cut off by floods last year! :(
Oh well. These look like the best dates and the only ones I know I'll have a chance of making. If I have to choose, I choose 100mph+ fun ;)

Touche

SteveR
09-01-08, 21:36
Touche
I didn't mean anything negative about JAE!! - I am genuinely dissapointed if I've excluded myself form going, but as it's because I'll be blatting about in a car (hopefully a Supra), I'll live - driving is my passion, and the 'Ring is mecca! :)

Ian R
09-01-08, 21:58
I didn't mean anything negative about JAE!! - I am genuinely dissapointed if I've excluded myself form going, but as it's because I'll be blatting about in a car (hopefully a Supra), I'll live - driving is my passion, and the 'Ring is mecca! :)

I'm with you Steyve (remember that) I love JAE been for last 5 years however if I had to choose its a no brainer for me

Ian R
09-01-08, 22:00
Its a granada cossie motor, with blanket and pipe to go.


OMG my old man used to have a Scorpio Cosworth 2.9 with a manual box that moved

Add a blower and that must be nuts

TrickTT
10-01-08, 04:32
Just read the other thread about noise levels, the boostlogic makes 113db at only 3000rpm so i'd have to stick so many socks up the exhaust i'd have a top speed of 3. Can you try to confirm what the deal is with noise cos there's no way mine will get down to 95.

SteveR
10-01-08, 08:15
Just read the other thread about noise levels, the boostlogic makes 113db at only 3000rpm so i'd have to stick so many socks up the exhaust i'd have a top speed of 3. Can you try to confirm what the deal is with noise cos there's no way mine will get down to 95.

http://www.nurburgring.org.uk/noise.html
It's not looking good TBH mate, sounds like they are very serious this year. Are you still interested - could you get a different exhaust stuck on just for this trip?

Bit of discussion here... (you might need to register)
http://forum.ringersforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=40306
... which will no doubt be updated as people head out there between now & July.

bignum
10-01-08, 08:36
Trick, could you get a baffle made like the blitz, its not like its going to restrict you too much miss daisy,:d

Carl_S
10-01-08, 09:00
11. Carl_S & Co-driver - Supra

captainchaos
10-01-08, 09:14
could be interested in this depending on how the rest of the build goes and if i still have the supra then

Robbie
10-01-08, 09:39
Bit of a pain about the TOTB dates and this.. I think this trip wins out though.

bignum
10-01-08, 12:30
Bit of a pain about the TOTB dates and this.. I think this trip wins out though.

Good man

SteveR
10-01-08, 12:38
One thing I forgot to mention - and this is REALLY important if your car is even remotely modified....
Cars & modification safety checks will be carried out this year (http://www.nurburgring.org.uk/tuv/index.html)

I don't think it's a big worry, and if you read these discussion posts about it (1 (http://forum.ringersforum.com/viewtopic.php?p=283231#283231), 2 (http://forum.ringersforum.com/viewtopic.php?p=283408#283408), 3 (http://forum.ringersforum.com/viewtopic.php?p=283975#283975)) it gives a bit more info, but I want people to be fully aware of the score.

I'm going to take my MoT certificates and basically everything I've got come July, just to be sure. Basically you'll need to prove that your car is legal to drive (MoT), any mods are legal (MoT) and preferably, that any mods are ok safety-wise, i.e. you didn't knock them up in your shed after going on a welding course.... i.e. take any paperwork you have detailing any mods you've got.

This is a hastily put together post, and I don't think it's a big deal, just something to be fully aware of.

SteveR
10-01-08, 13:00
could be interested in this depending on how the rest of the build goes and if i still have the supra then
You're more than welcome, just be aware that we'll be paying & booking for some stuff in the next 2~4 weeks, so you'll need ot be pretty certain you'll be finished or have a backup plan (or not mind losing deposits). I'll put you down as interested anyway so that I remember ot keep you informed - no firm decision is needed right this minute :)

SteveR
10-01-08, 13:01
JSpec Germany & Carly - I'm hoping you can make it along! :)

paul mac
10-01-08, 13:29
i.e. you didn't knock them up in your shed after going on a welding course....

oh buggeration i was seriously considering this trip but dont know how i go on with my recent brake upgrade, i have worked in engineering all my life, had the machining done at work so hence have no paperwork to back it up :( i guess you would have to risk it, the drive there would be good anyway even if the Gestapo didn't let you on the track

bodilx6
10-01-08, 13:59
Evening all :)

I went to the Nurburgring (http://www.nurburgring.org.uk/map.jpg) in 2006, organised a trip last year (http://www.mkivsupra.net/vbb/showpost.php?p=1500872&postcount=233), and was asked to organise one again this year (I might as well - I'm going regardless as it's in my blood now!)


Sounds great Steve. I'm a member from Denmark and might join you guys down there. I'm guessing the route for you wont cross mine from DK?

If I want more info at a later point on where you are staying and so, should I just follow this thread or PM you or?

I saw you guys last year where I took a few laps myself. See pics, which I think i you, Steve

/Stefan

ShamelessTT
10-01-08, 15:57
im very keen to come along to this, im not a complete beginner ive been on a track etc before but a couple of quick questions

1. Quick question, insurance how do you get on with it?
2. You can drive as fast / as slow as you like right? is it give way to the faster car etc?

Simon

MrDriver
10-01-08, 16:37
In Belgium speed limit is 120kph, so thats about 75/80 mph?
Be carefull as there are a lot of radars out there lately.

I'm looking forwards to this trip allready. I try to join the convoy on the way.

- P -

paul mac
10-01-08, 18:27
just found this which explains modified cars and the reasoning behind it, i think it may be a case of suck it see as the year goes on and reports start to come back from the ring as to how severe the testing is, bloody do gooders at it again

http://www.turbo-nutters.co.uk/forum/index.php?showtopic=14341

SteveR
10-01-08, 19:29
Sounds great Steve. I'm a member from Denmark and might join you guys down there. I'm guessing the route for you wont cross mine from DK?

If I want more info at a later point on where you are staying and so, should I just follow this thread or PM you or?

I saw you guys last year where I took a few laps myself. See pics, which I think i you, Steve

/Stefan
Wow! Cool pics of me! :D :D :D
You were already welcome to join us but now you've shown me pictures then I practically insist you come! lol

We'll most likely be going from Dunkerque to the 'Ring, probably past Brussells as that seemed last year - the route does just skim the Netherlands, but not Denmark. Something along these (http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?f=d&hl=en&geocode=&time=&date=&ttype=&saddr=dunkerque&daddr=nurburg&sll=54.162434,-3.647461&sspn=18.564856,31.420898&ie=UTF8&z=7&om=1) lines. Do you think you would meet us on the way or at the 'Ring itself?

I'll send out a PM to those going everytime I update this thread with anything important - I'll try to keep al the info on the first page, for ease of reference. :)

Ian R
10-01-08, 19:34
Have you seen Mike (J-spec Germany) garage pics noticed it last night he is on the ring with me chasing him down :D

SteveR
10-01-08, 19:42
im very keen to come along to this, im not a complete beginner ive been on a track etc before but a couple of quick questions

1. Quick question, insurance how do you get on with it?
2. You can drive as fast / as slow as you like right? is it give way to the faster car etc?

Simon
Don't worry about experience, if you've got some, great - if you haven't but can use your mirrors and don't drive faster than you can see or faster than know you can, you'll be fine. I hadn't been on a track before I went 2 years ago, and in fact still haven't driven the Supra on any track but the 'Ring!! :D

A1) Sometimes insurance policies will cover you for driving at the 'Ring (mine did - I've changed since but I think I'm still covered), sometimes they're not sure (when the track is open to the public, the official line is that it is "a one-way public toll road" - full German traffic laws apply and the police attend any accidents) and sometimes a policy will explicitly name and exclude it.

Check yours, and if you're worried, consider taking out additional insurance just for the 'Ring. I'll dig out some details if anyone wants this, IIRC it's not cheap, but if you'd rather play it safe...


A2) All overtaking must be done on the left. If you want to drive slow - and don't forget coach tours go round the place amongst other VERY slow vehicles - just keep to the right and out of the way. When a faster vehicle catches you up (and it will, EVERYONE even those in track weapons and 2,000 laps under their belt gets overtaken) just flick the right-hand indicator on so they know you've seen them and are ok to pass (you'll appreciate the same thing when you go to overtake someone).

Most of the time, if you're lapping at a sensible but progressive pace*, you won't come across that many other cars anyway - except between about 10am~5pm at weekends when it can get silly busy. At those times, I prefer to find various spots to go & spectate from instead, and go out in the morning/evening/weekdays when the track is MUCH quieter and it's not uncommon to have a lap entirely to yourself.

* = don't ever drive faster than you want to though, there is nothing wrong with sticking to the right the whoel lap if you wish to and just cruising round. I've done a 9 minute lap and I've done a 20 minute lap. :)

EDIT to say, I'm happy to sit in with people if they want a "the track goes left here... goes right over this crest" guide, and likewise, offer passenger laps - though I'm an '8/10ths' driver at the 'Ring so don't get too excited!

SteveR
10-01-08, 19:44
oh buggeration i was seriously considering this trip but dont know how i go on with my recent brake upgrade, i have worked in engineering all my life, had the machining done at work so hence have no paperwork to back it up :( i guess you would have to risk it, the drive there would be good anyway even if the Gestapo didn't let you on the track


just found this which explains modified cars and the reasoning behind it, i think it may be a case of suck it see as the year goes on and reports start to come back from the ring as to how severe the testing is, bloody do gooders at it again
If you're very worried, you could always get the German test done out there. I suspect, however, that they would inspect the car and if it's clearly a good standard - and your car is legal for the UK with as much paperwork you can throw at them - then you'd be ok. No promises as I haven't experienced this yet, but it sounds like they're being pragmatic with non-German registered cars and you should be ok.

You've got engineering experience & abilities behind you, so I'm sure it looks the business.
If I made a roll cage or some brakes however... lol

Ian R
10-01-08, 19:51
If you don't have Breakdown cover this is always worth while http://www.adac.de/mitgliedschaft_leistungen/mitgliedschaftstarife/membership/default.asp?id=257&location=1

SteveR
10-01-08, 20:07
In Belgium speed limit is 120kph, so thats about 75/80 mph?
Be carefull as there are a lot of radars out there lately.

I'm looking forwards to this trip allready. I try to join the convoy on the way.

- P -
I'm pretty bad with foreign speed limits (and cones), ask Ian R. I try to behave when I'm leading a convoy though, promise!!

Can you let me know if you want accomodation and for how many?
Ta!

SteveR
10-01-08, 20:08
Have you seen Mike (J-spec Germany) garage pics noticed it last night he is on the ring with me chasing him down :D
oh yeah! (http://www.mkivsupra.net/vbb/vbpicgallery.php?do=big&p=4138)
heheh :D

SteveR
10-01-08, 21:44
Just so people don't think I'm ignoring them or being rude, I'll probably be away for the weekend (and away from the forum) after tonight until Sunday/Monday night. I'll reply to any PM's/questions/etc when I'm back. :)

Ian R
10-01-08, 21:46
I'm pretty bad with foreign speed limits (and cones), ask Ian R. I try to behave when I'm leading a convoy though, promise!!

Can you let me know if you want accomodation and for how many?
Ta!

Ah the cones. I got a telling of from my passenger for that I'll have you know :D

SteveR
10-01-08, 21:48
Ah the cones. I got a telling of from my passenger for that I'll have you know :D
It's not my fault, I'm easily influenced and I remember a Ferrari doing it on a Gumball video... I was just checking my suspension... erm, erm..

Why did you get told off?? :D

MrDriver
10-01-08, 22:06
Can you let me know if you want accomodation and for how many?
Ta!

No need for accomodation, it's just a daytrip for me. Maybe 2 or 3 hour drive from my place so that's okay. Thanks for asking.

- Peter -

SteveR
10-01-08, 22:09
No need for accomodation, it's just a daytrip for me. Maybe 2 or 3 hour drive from my place so that's okay. Thanks for asking.

- Peter -
No probs.
Unlike last year, there doesn't seem to be any major events going on that weekend anyway - so you might be ok and find somewhere at the last minute, should you get to the track, try it out, and decide you want to stay. ;)

Jspec Germany
10-01-08, 22:54
Bod - I'm on your way down and I work with several Danes. Don't expect I can understand you but in my experience, most Danes speak excellent English. You're more than welcome to spend the nite if you need a break (and a couple of beers with a well cooked meal) before the final drive down. I live just off the A46 which is off the A61. Check the link above of the proposed map. You'll find me just north of Aachen and East of Galeen.

Ian, with a single, you better be up my arse mate, and as I recall, wasn't that a photo lap and meant to be slow. This year, you better bring the heat. I'm on new rubber, suspension, brakes, and almost full BPU. Your line looks a bit off there btw. LOL.

Boys, you know that Carly and I wouldn't miss it. We're 82 mins door to door to the Ring. Anyone else who'd like drive down the day prior and rest up a nite is always welcome. I have a fully stocked bar and then some in the house. What is it those boyscouts say?

Steve-top notch thread so far mate. Keep it comin.

Edit - Peter, be great to see you again bud.
Rob - You'd better make it pal. This year will be better than last and last year was good.

Ian R
10-01-08, 23:17
Ian, with a single, you better be up my arse mate, and as I recall, wasn't that a photo lap and meant to be slow. This year, you better bring the heat. I'm on new rubber, suspension, brakes, and almost full BPU. Your line looks a bit off there btw. LOL.





It was the photolap looks great doesn't it :D I'm on new rubber this year too. Oh and a bigger tubby muchas fun. Hope the beast us ready if not I will be posing in the NA Aerotop instead LOL

SteveR
11-01-08, 00:02
This year, you better bring the heat. I'm on new rubber, suspension, brakes, and almost full BPU. Your line looks a bit off there btw. LOL.
Excellent fighting talk :D


Steve-top notch thread so far mate. Keep it comin.
I shall do my best! :) Glad you guys are coming :thumbs:

Ian R
11-01-08, 00:06
I have just thought I will have no passenger (ESC) this year. I gonna make sure i'm insured on the ring if in the single chances are I might erm over do it :D

SteveR
11-01-08, 00:08
I have just thought I will have no passenger (ESC) this year. I gonna make sure i'm insured on the ring if in the single chances are I might erm over do it :D
Don't say stuff like that you muppet!!! :rolleyes:

EDIT - won't your bro be interested in tagging along? (or driving even??) Is his car fixed?

Ian R
11-01-08, 00:10
Don't say stuff like that you muppet!!! :rolleyes:

Hopefully I won't be saying I told you so at the ring lol :d

Ian R
11-01-08, 00:13
EDIT - won't your bro be interested in tagging along? (or driving even??) Is his car fixed?

Erm don't think so as he has nipper no2 on the way. Oh and my other Supra I own now, is his old one I bought it off him. But he is always welcome to use it :d

SteveR
11-01-08, 00:15
Erm don't think so as he has nipper no2 on the way. Oh and my other Supra I own now, is his old one I bought it off him. But he is always welcome to use it :d
Greedy :p
Get your single sorted so I know I have a reserve car for when the inevitable happens and I'm Supra-less in July. I've already asked Jurgen to keep his eyes out for a facelift RSP TT6/T6 for me. :D

Ian R
11-01-08, 00:16
Greedy :p
Get your single sorted so I know I have a reserve car for when the inevitable happens and I'm Supra-less in July. I've already asked Jurgen to keep his eyes out for a facelift RSP TT6/T6 for me. :D

Will do it will be going over to CW in a week or so

bodilx6
11-01-08, 09:27
Wow! Cool pics of me! :D :D :D
You were already welcome to join us but now you've shown me pictures then I practically insist you come! lol

Hehe, I'll do what I can. I'm on holiday with the girlfriend that week in the southern Denmark, so I can probably convince her that its a good idea to take a small detour. Did it last year, so why not again. We'll be comming from Hamburg -Hannover -Dortmund - Köln, so will probably not see you guys untill Da 'ring, but could be cool. I'll keep me updated from this thread

kermit2
21-01-08, 16:51
Steve

heres a link to a thread on northloop one of the guys are arranging accommodation for large groups, it may be helpful if you struggle a bit for rooms. just click on his website for the telephone number if you need it,

regards George

http://z8.invisionfree.com/Northloop/index.php?showtopic=8119

SteveR
21-01-08, 18:34
Thanks George :)
The B&B folk we used last time (and hope to use again ths time) are away until next week, so I'll hopefully confirm accomodation plans soon after then. :thumbs:

Have you firmed up any of your trip dates yet? Still planning on going over 6 times?!? :D
Let me know if you want to stay with us in July.

AndyT
21-01-08, 18:39
Steve

heres a link to a thread on northloop one of the guys are arranging accommodation for large groups, it may be helpful if you struggle a bit for rooms. just click on his website for the telephone number if you need it,

regards George

http://z8.invisionfree.com/Northloop/index.php?showtopic=8119

Hi George. Nice to see that mad bad car again. :) Even if it is only in your avatar. :D
6 times...:blink:

gaz_turbo1
21-01-08, 20:28
so is there any def dates for this trip yet, and any chance of a 400bhp 4wd starlet coming along:D

SteveR
21-01-08, 20:41
24th - 29th July is 99/9% likely - will know for sure after the weekend when I can confirm accomodation.

kermit2
21-01-08, 22:34
Have you firmed up any of your trip dates yet? Still planning on going over 6 times

Yea will be over soon probably first trip in February, subject to weather looks OK at the moment,

kids grown up and gone, mortgage paid off, and no finance on the car, :pHeaven for a ring fanatic:d

SteveR
21-01-08, 22:45
Yea will be over soon probably first trip in February, subject to weather looks OK at the moment,

kids grown up and gone, mortgage paid off, and no finance on the car, :pHeaven for a ring fanatic:d
I'm not jealous :p
I haven't even got a Supra at the moment, lol. I'll still book the trip anyway, it'll help me focus on finding another :D

kermit2
22-01-08, 00:24
Why did you sell it? it will be difficult to replace a car like that

SteveR
22-01-08, 18:13
Why did you sell it? it will be difficult to replace a car like that
Because I want something closer to the spec of yours. :eyebrows:
I'd like a facelift RSP one, single turbo preferably, or eventually if I end up finding a nice TT which I'd then build up over a few months/years...

I did wonder if I was doing the right thing by selling, but I'm sure it'll work out eventually - hopefully before July!!

kermit2
22-01-08, 21:53
best of luck with your search Steve. The question is I would guess, is it better to by a basic tt manual and spec it up, or look around for one already done?

I was talking to Leon at JPS motorsport last week and he showed me one he had just converted from a twin to a single stage 2 hks turbo with a manual box at around 600bhp it really did look the business, also installed race logic traction control and one or two other minor things, I nearly fell through the floor when he said the bill will be around 25k.

Now I know it can be done cheaper than that, but i asked how much could he sell it for, the answer was max around 15/16k if he is lucky.

so I guess on that reasoning it would appear cheaper to buy one already done and let someone else bear the cost, unless you have the ability to do it yourself and that would count me out.

Anyway look forward to seeing you all there in July, and regarding accommodation don't worry about me, but it would be nice to have a beer and a meal with you in the evening if thats OK.

supra steveo
22-01-08, 21:57
doh if this had of been before may i could of got loads of fuel tokens :D

SteveR
22-01-08, 22:03
Anyway look forward to seeing you all there in July, and regarding accommodation don't worry about me, but it would be nice to have a beer and a meal with you in the evening if thats OK.
Of course it is George - you're more than welcome to join us whenever you like :)



best of luck with your search Steve. The question is I would guess, is it better to by a basic tt manual and spec it up, or look around for one already done?

I was talking to Leon at JPS motorsport last week and he showed me one he had just converted from a twin to a single stage 2 hks turbo with a manual box at around 600bhp it really did look the business, also installed race logic traction control and one or two other minor things, I nearly fell through the floor when he said the bill will be around 25k.

Now I know it can be done cheaper than that, but i asked how much could he sell it for, the answer was max around 15/16k if he is lucky.

so I guess on that reasoning it would appear cheaper to buy one already done and let someone else bear the cost, unless you have the ability to do it yourself and that would count me out.

If I can find a completed 6-gear single (i.e. fully built) that I like, I'd prefer to go down that route purely on a costs basis. However, if a mint TT6 comes along whilst I'm searching for my dream car, I'll get that and save/work towards making it a single over an extended period.

The figures you state are what I'd got in the back of my mind TBH - I've read many times that building a decent single isn't cheap. Don't suppose you're selling are you, lol.

SteveR
22-01-08, 22:16
Update - just so people know....

I'll be updating the rest of the FAQ etc I did last year & sticking it at the start of this thread during this week/weekend. I made a start yesterday; I am slowly but surely checking on what's changed and what's not, which is why I'm not just doing a straight copy from last year's info.

...then I will be in touch with those on the list during this weekend (or before if I can but work is hectic at the moment so no promises) - regarding room requirements, B&B/hotel preferences etc and what the next steps are once accomodation is confirmed;
I emailed the B&Bs a week or so ago asking if they can accomodate us for the dates we want, and expect a reply in ~10 days as the owner/organiser is currently on holiday until the weekend.

Cheers all!
Steve

kermit2
23-01-08, 13:43
Don't suppose you're selling are you, lol.


Not yet Steve, still having to much fun

SteveR
23-01-08, 17:07
Not yet Steve, still having to much fun
I shall aim to be overtaking you soon then ;)
lol I wish.

TrickTT
24-01-08, 16:38
Just noise tested my car using the meter at 1m and 45 degrees test position and got the following:
No baffle:
tickover 89dB 4k rpm 105dB
With baffle:
tickover 77dB 4k rpm 98dB
So it looks like i'm now unlikly to be able to go if they are being as strict with the noise limits as they say. If they are being flexible with the noise limits, i'm still up for this, but i cant see the point of going and cruising round on half throttle at the moment:cry:

SteveR
24-01-08, 17:25
Just noise tested my car using the meter at 1m and 45 degrees test position and got the following:
No baffle:
tickover 89dB 4k rpm 105dB
With baffle:
tickover 77dB 4k rpm 98dB
So it looks like i'm now unlikly to be able to go if they are being as strict with the noise limits as they say. If they are being flexible with the noise limits, i'm still up for this, but i cant see the point of going and cruising round on half throttle at the moment:cry:
Hmmm.
Also, I think they test at 2/3rd redline. :(

Nothing you can swap-on in place Rich?? Someone somewhere must have a stock exhaust going cheap.

Bignum - how loud is yours? (Si's is loud but he passed the noise test last year).

Need4Speed
24-01-08, 17:54
A couple of bits of advice for anybody going to the 'Ring. First of all, in Belgium they can confiscate your car for speeding... 180km/h and over (and you might not get it back!).
Secondly AFAIK video cameras are banned at the 'Ring.
Finally if you go quickly (and I'm not talking 'Ring taxi pace) your brakes will overheat. I had the problem with mine that the pads stood up to it (race spec pads etc.) but the rear discs cracked - in less than five laps and I wasn't pushing at all hard.

Enjoy it guys - if it's your first time, it'll blow you away!

SteveR
24-01-08, 18:03
A couple of bits of advice for anybody going to the 'Ring. First of all, in Belgium they can confiscate your car for speeding...
Same in France.

Jspec Germany
24-01-08, 18:05
Yea will be over soon probably first trip in February, subject to weather looks OK at the moment,

kids grown up and gone, mortgage paid off, and no finance on the car, :pHeaven for a ring fanatic:d

George, you do know I'm an hour twenty North of the ring right? Please do drop me a PM before you go.

Mike

Jspec Germany
24-01-08, 18:15
For those of you worried about sound testing, I'll make a trip or two down there in March/April with no cats in and see what happens.

SteveR
24-01-08, 18:16
For those of you worried about sound testing, I'll make a trip or two down there in March/April with no cats in and see what happens.
Good lad, I never thought of that. Do you nkow how loud your exhaust is Mike? (measured 1m away at 45degrees)

Jspec Germany
24-01-08, 18:19
Good lad, I never thought of that. Do you nkow how loud your exhaust is Mike? (measured 1m away at 45degrees)

No idea. I'll just go down and ask for the test. I've still got the first cat in atm, but I'll go catless + HKS Superdragger and see what happens.

SteveR
24-01-08, 22:26
...OMG imagine 5 500+bhp Supras lapping together;
George, Bignum (going single as i type), Ian R, you & me.

What a sight that would be. :D
. .

Yeah, til they whipped out the noise probe.... but yeah man, that would be incredible. I hope Bignum gets his done in time, and can't wait to catch a ride with whoever in a single. George's green monster is just that, a monster.

kermit2
24-01-08, 22:26
George, you do know I'm an hour twenty North of the ring right? Please do drop me a PM before you go.

Mike


Ok Mike. planning to go over first decent weekend in Feb (if there is one) so I will keep an eye on the web cam & weather forecast its normally last minute stuff with me but I will let you know

Jspec Germany
24-01-08, 22:33
Please do George. Like I said, it's a short blast down there for me and there hasn't been much of a winter. Supposed to get cold this weekend though.

kermit2
25-01-08, 09:29
Mike (Just changing the subject slightly Im sure Steve wont mind)
I cant remember whether I spoke to you last year on this subject, but I'm looking to leave the car over there for the season and just fly, so much easier and less wear and tear ect, there are two ways either leave the car at Nurburg and fly to Frankfurt from my local airport Southampton then hire a car, or store the car near an airport which would then save on car hire.

if you are around 1.5 hrs north of the ring would that put you near Düsseldorf and if so do you know of any lockups or long term car parks or any garage that can store a car for a reasonable monthly cost.

Dont worry if there is nothing around, Ive always got plan one, I'm just trying to aviod the car hire

Regards George

SteveR
25-01-08, 13:05
I suspect Mike may offer to 'look after it' for you George. ;)
I don't mind chit-chat at all, all the important stuff will be on page 1 and I'll PM people when they need to be aware of anything so they can ignore all this if they like, safe in the knowledge they won't miss anything essential. :)

Tom S
25-01-08, 13:06
Mike,

hope you are getting me some more GIN!! I'll bring / send you loads of BEER !!

SteveR
25-01-08, 13:08
Mike,

hope you are getting me some more GIN!! I'll bring / send you loads of BEER !!
What dates are your crowd with the Rexs etc heading out there Tom?

Tom S
25-01-08, 13:09
awaiting confirmation. Probably in may ?:search:

SteveR
25-01-08, 13:10
awaiting confirmation. Probably in may ?:search:
Ah ok! I thought you'd said to me that they were booked & sorted already, my mistake.

Tom S
25-01-08, 13:11
Ah ok! I thought you'd said to me that they were booked & sorted already, my mistake.

I said we were going, :innocent:

Ian R
25-01-08, 13:11
awaiting confirmation. Probably in may ?:search:

You should come with us Tom.

Tom S
25-01-08, 13:12
without a car? :taped:

Ian R
25-01-08, 13:14
without a car? :taped:

More than welcome as a passenger in mine

xanderroan
25-01-08, 13:29
Hi, Can you put me down for a place. I have an auto right now, but think the manual conversion will be done by then, other than that, will probably be pretty stock, but should still be fun.. never been on the ring.

Tom S
25-01-08, 14:04
More than welcome as a passenger in mine

we will see my firend, it comes down to money etc in the end

SteveR
25-01-08, 17:47
Hi, Can you put me down for a place. I have an auto right now, but think the manual conversion will be done by then, other than that, will probably be pretty stock, but should still be fun.. never been on the ring.

Added :)
My car for the last 2 years trips was stock. I just sold it and will hopefully get another Supe before I go back - but a stock car is fine & great fun. :)

Need4Speed
26-01-08, 09:38
Somebody in this club should buy one of these http://www.maplin.co.uk/Search.aspx?criteria=noise%20meter&source=15&SD=Y - or maybe the club should get one!

AJI
27-01-08, 15:45
looks like this year's club plans for the N'Ring are going nicely. :)
I hope I can make the same weekend as you guys but my plans this year are goin to be a bit more 'last minute' than previous years.
Still hoping to do a minimum of two trips but I'm also going to visit China this summertime, so NRing trips are being planed around that.

Tom S
27-01-08, 15:54
Steve,

looks like we going in May

SteveR
28-01-08, 12:29
D-Bone (Darren) - clear some space in your inbox - I tried to send you a PM! :)

ShamelessTT
28-01-08, 22:08
hi all, Its will be ShamelessTT (Simon) +1 ~~ now :) :) :)

SteveR
28-01-08, 22:11
hi all, Its will be ShamelessTT (Simon) +1 ~~ now :) :) :)
Edited 1st post.
Can you reply to my PM please Simon regarding rooms etc :)

Ian R
28-01-08, 22:13
Steve,

looks like we going in May

Shame you can't come with us.

SteveR
28-01-08, 22:15
Just added a spreadsheet to post 3 (http://www.mkivsupra.net/vbb/showpost.php?p=1756545&postcount=3) so people can have an idea of what the costs might be.

Ian R
28-01-08, 22:17
Bloody walkie talkies will have to buy some new ones AGAIN. Btw Martin is thinking of this trip with me either as passenger in mine or stretching the aerotops legs

SteveR
28-01-08, 22:18
Bloody walkie talkies will have to buy some new ones AGAIN. Btw Martin is thinking of this trip with me either as passenger in mine or stretching the aerotops legs
You're such a retard, what have you done with them this time lol??

It'd be good if both the 'R brothers' can make it out (especially as you both had to drop out last time.) :thumbs:

Ian R
28-01-08, 22:21
You're such a retard, what have you done with them this time lol??

It'd be good if both the 'R brothers' can make it out (especially as you both had to drop out last time.) :thumbs:

Lost em again :D

BTW 100 post for the ring thread :d

jaymdee
28-01-08, 23:43
Quite fancy this.

Is this still July, as I've just read someone talking about May?

cheers

ShamelessTT
28-01-08, 23:50
replied , cheers :)

Ian R
29-01-08, 00:05
Quite fancy this.

Is this still July, as I've just read someone talking about May?

cheers

Still July mate afaik

Tom is going in May with a group we went with a couple of years ago

SteveR
29-01-08, 13:03
Yep, this trip is still (provisionally) July; the dates I selected are one of a few clumps that maximise track availabilty to the public. I will know 100% for sure if we're going for 24-29 July by the end of next week and will post up as soon as I know.

jaymdee, I'll add you to the list and send you a PM.

Tom S
29-01-08, 13:05
Steve,

looks like we are going:-

OUT Fri 9th May. BF Goodrich circuit event on the Nordschliefe on the Saturday. Circuit open all day Sunday and Monday, eve Tuesday. BACK Wed 14th May. 2 days + 1 eve circuit, 5 nights, 175 Euros each.

SteveR
29-01-08, 13:15
Steve,

looks like we are going:-

OUT Fri 9th May. BF Goodrich circuit event on the Nordschliefe on the Saturday. Circuit open all day Sunday and Monday, eve Tuesday. BACK Wed 14th May. 2 days + 1 eve circuit, 5 nights, 175 Euros each.
Interesting selection of dates!
The BF Goodrich thing sounds ok - an endurance evet all held on 1 day?? I found this overview on wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VLN).

The dates I've picked maximise track availability - to us. ;)

Jspec Germany
29-01-08, 18:53
I've said it once, I'll say it again. I'm only an hour twenty North of the Ring. If you're planning trips other than this big one that Steve is handling, please drop me a PM.

SteveR
29-01-08, 21:05
I've said it once, I'll say it again. I'm only an hour twenty North of the Ring. If you're planning trips other than this big one that Steve is handling, please drop me a PM.
Chief, sooner of later I AM going to do a little tour of some decent driving roads in Europe - you up for it? I was thinking of starting at the Ring then heading Alp-wards...

Step 1 is find a new Supra of course. lol.

Ian R
29-01-08, 21:09
Chief, sooner of later I AM going to do a little tour of some decent driving roads in Europe - you up for it? I was thinking of starting at the Ring then heading Alp-wards...

Step 1 is find a new Supra of course. lol.

I'D be up for that too. :D

Dnk
29-01-08, 21:38
Chief, sooner of later I AM going to do a little tour of some decent driving roads in Europe - you up for it? I was thinking of starting at the Ring then heading Alp-wards...

Step 1 is find a new Supra of course. lol.

Can i book a place as this sounds like my kind of rd trip ? Stelvio Pass etc etc ?

SteveR
29-01-08, 21:47
Can i book a place as this sounds like my kind of rd trip ? Stelvio Pass etc etc ?
lol, sure! That and similar passes are certainly on my mental list. Evo have recommended few roads I'd like to try. TBH before anyone gets their hopes up, I doubt I'll have the funds to commit to it this year - but I'd certainly hope to do it next year. Someone did start off a discussion about doing it this year but it went quiet.... here you go (http://www.mkivsupra.net/vbb/showthread.php?t=137150).

Dnk
29-01-08, 21:58
lol, sure! That and similar passes are certainly on my mental list. Evo have recommended few roads I'd like to try. TBH before anyone gets their hopes up, I doubt I'll have the funds to commit to it this year - but I'd certainly hope to do it next year. Someone did start off a discussion about doing it this year but it went quiet.... here you go (http://www.mkivsupra.net/vbb/showthread.php?t=137150).

Thanks for the link, i'd not spotted that :blink:

SteveR
29-01-08, 22:55
update: more details added to posts 3 & 4, I even corrected a typo in the spreadsheet. That'll do for tonight - I think I've exhausted the list of questions I could be asked!! :D

SteveR
07-02-08, 19:22
Bottoms!

Just had an email back from the B&Bs saying "you do know it's DTM that weekend, don't you?" I'll see if we can still get places, if not we might have to shift weekends...

I'll report back over the weekend, hopefully, with my findings.

Jspec Germany
07-02-08, 22:31
lol, sure! That and similar passes are certainly on my mental list. Evo have recommended few roads I'd like to try. TBH before anyone gets their hopes up, I doubt I'll have the funds to commit to it this year - but I'd certainly hope to do it next year. Someone did start off a discussion about doing it this year but it went quiet.... here you go (http://www.mkivsupra.net/vbb/showthread.php?t=137150).

It's my duty to tell you that this will by my last year living in Germany, at least for awhile. My tour is up in August, so lets do this!

Tom S
08-02-08, 07:21
Mike

Start stockpiling the Gin mate, I'll do the same with beer as last year........;)

SteveR
25-02-08, 21:11
It's my duty to tell you that this will by my last year living in Germany, at least for awhile. My tour is up in August, so lets do this!
I don't think I'll be ablwe to afford a new Supra, a decent 'Ring trip and a tour of Europe!! We'll see. :) Where are you heading next Mike?? :(


Bottoms!

Just had an email back from the B&Bs saying "you do know it's DTM that weekend, don't you?" I'll see if we can still get places, if not we might have to shift weekends...

I'll report back over the weekend, hopefully, with my findings.

^^ was disheartened back then ^^ but now I'm 100% back on it.

Expect news soon, I'm working hard again! :thumbs:

bignum
26-02-08, 17:48
Good man, still need to buy you that drink,;)

Burna
26-02-08, 18:56
Can't get this trip out of my head since we chatted Sunday Ste :banghead:

SteveR
26-02-08, 19:04
Can't get this trip out of my head since we chatted Sunday Ste :banghead:
I didn't think you were a driver mate :p

Mmmmm.... ticket into machine, barrier goes up, filter out through the cones onto an empty straight then open her up for 3/4 of a mile before you even need to THINK about braking. :ecstatic:

Then there are the easy (albeit rare) bits of the track you don't need to learn because you can see through the complex you're about to enter.... and after a few laps more and more of the track comes together in your head and you begin the long, never-ending journey that is mastering the place, gaining more and more pride in the awesome line you're cutting through the beautiful mountainous countryside and the world's most fearsome and inspiring circuit.... and rewarding your achievement each evening with beer, steak and talks with good mates about how incredible a place it is. :thumbs:

Yeah it's basically rubbish. ;)

Ian R
26-02-08, 19:05
Stop it :(

SteveR
26-02-08, 19:06
You're the boss - book the time and make the subordinate cancel their leave! ;)

Burna
26-02-08, 19:06
Stop it :(

He's a git isn't he :(

Ian R
26-02-08, 19:07
He's a git isn't he :(

yep as I can't have that week off work

SteveR
26-02-08, 19:08
actually don't book leave yet - still got the accomodation headache to sort out :angry:

Ian R
26-02-08, 19:10
yeah Burna said he would go in August or September :d

DIDN'T YOU BURNA :D

Burna
26-02-08, 19:24
yeah Burna said he would go in August or September :d

DIDN'T YOU BURNA :D

Yes Ian :D

SteveR
26-02-08, 19:27
:whoosh::blahblah:

sorry, did you boys say something??


:D

Ian R
26-02-08, 19:28
I bet you are so tempted to click the edit post function aren't you Steve :D

SteveR
26-02-08, 19:33
TBH I forget it's there! lol.

Ian R
26-02-08, 19:35
Just had an idea I could edit the dates :d LOL

SteveR
26-02-08, 19:48
mini update: yesterday I sent a couple of emails to some accomodation I know about, but so far had no luck. In defiance of the odds, I've sent a larger batch of emails to a fair few guesthouses/etc, so we'll see what replies land in my inbox tomorrow.... it's all a matter of perseverance!

SteveR
26-02-08, 21:04
I might have found somewhere - will know soon.

SteveR
27-02-08, 23:58
Accomodation sourced - PM sent to those interested - get on board now if you're not already! :thumbs:

Dnk
28-02-08, 07:41
Accomodation sourced - PM sent to those interested - get on board now if you're not already! :thumbs:


Hi Steve, is this just a trip to the ring or will it be going further, sorry if i missed it in the info in the thread.

cheers

SteveR
28-02-08, 09:28
Hi Steve, is this just a trip to the ring or will it be going further, sorry if i missed it in the info in the thread.

cheers
Just to the 'Ring mate - next year I'll probably sort a European road trip of some description. :)

The Ring is awesome, you should come :)

Jspec Germany
28-02-08, 13:10
Gents, it brings me great sadness to have to inform you that I cannot make the end of July dates. I have to go to Las Vegas. Yes, I have to go. Large exercise that I can't get out of. I will be making several trips this year though and hope that we can get together in April/May/June/August before I leave end of August/beginning of September to go back to the U.S.

Ian R
28-02-08, 13:59
Mike I can't make it either but will have to go this year at some point

bignum
28-02-08, 20:36
Whats happening guy`s, theyre dropping like flies, how many rooms did you need again steve,;)

SteveR
28-02-08, 21:57
I know, poor effort - Vegas Vs the Ring... no question where I'd pick! ;)
Although poor Ian will be at Sainsburys! :haha: (lol sorry mate! :D)

Dnk
29-02-08, 08:01
Just to the 'Ring mate - next year I'll probably sort a European road trip of some description. :)

The Ring is awesome, you should come :)

I've been to the ring several times already and as awesome as it is i really want to do a rd trip with a day at the ring then move on.

Im not sure i want to spend 4 days there to be honest.

SteveR
29-02-08, 11:47
I've been to the ring several times already and as awesome as it is i really want to do a rd trip with a day at the ring then move on.

Im not sure i want to spend 4 days there to be honest.
Fair play. I think next year I'll go for a bit of an adventure round Europe. I'd love to pretend I can afford to do both this year, but not a chance. :(

Jspec Germany
29-02-08, 17:47
DnK, fancy the drive down to the Stelvio Pass? There's a thread floating around about it.

Jspec Germany
29-02-08, 17:50
Mike I can't make it either but will have to go this year at some point

Let me know when. April, May, June, and first 2 weeks of July are good!


I know, poor effort - Vegas Vs the Ring... no question where I'd pick! ;)


Believe me Steve, I'd rather be at the Ring with you lot. This exercise is brutal and I'll be working 10-16 hour days with only a weekend to unwind, have some fun, and try to recharge before week two starts. I'll be sure to pull a few slots and drink a few free cocktails for you though.

bignum
29-02-08, 18:15
It wont be the same without you mike, for 1 we`ll struggle to order food at meal times and 2 nobody to laugh at taking a p$ss in the field on the way back from the pub,:d

Jspec Germany
29-02-08, 18:21
It wont be the same without you mike, for 1 we`ll struggle to order food at meal times and 2 nobody to laugh at taking a p$ss in the field on the way back from the pub,:d

:D I'm sure you'll get on fine. Just use the pointy clicky method and motion your hand up and down in a tilting motion when you order a beer. If all else fails, remember the phrase, "Beer oond Schnitzel bittah". When you guys get closer to the date, I'll give you the crash course in a day. As for pissing in the field. Don't worry, somebody else will do it.

Dnk
29-02-08, 20:49
Fair play. I think next year I'll go for a bit of an adventure round Europe. I'd love to pretend I can afford to do both this year, but not a chance. :(

Same as me, i'd love to do the ring and a rd trip but the cost is too much to do both properly hence i fancy a day at the ring then move on to say Stelvio then drive further down Italy to Modena cutting across to say Monaco then back up the Route Napoleon through the Verdon Gorge !! oh and the Milau Bridge :) eating and drinking fine food and wine all the way !!

We need a lottery win :D

Dnk
29-02-08, 20:59
DnK, fancy the drive down to the Stelvio Pass? There's a thread floating around about it.


Before i get too old i must take the supra across Europe and the Stelvio Pass is definetly on my places to go list :)

SteveR
01-03-08, 23:50
Update:
I've made a few updates to the info on page 1, and sent a PM to those going with details of the ferry journies you all need to book.

Top Tip: watch this video (also linked from page 1).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d6p78B8ZEfg
(although helmets aren't "mandatory" - ignore that bit, but DO take one if you've got one.)

bignum
02-03-08, 18:22
Never seen that video before, some good tips there.

Ian R
02-03-08, 18:45
Still gutted I can't make this trip :(

SteveR
02-03-08, 19:40
Still gutted I can't make this trip :(
Are you positive you can't do something about it mate? :(
Think man!! :D

Kirk
02-03-08, 19:45
O man this would be an awesome bday week for me being that my 21st is on the 25th! Gutted I probly won't be able to go unless I can get a sup quicktime! :(

Dnk
02-03-08, 20:45
O man this would be an awesome bday week for me being that my 21st is on the 25th! Gutted I probly won't be able to go unless I can get a sup quicktime! :(


Possibly not the best idea unless your one of the few 21 yr olds that can actually drive, the ring will bite your ass if you go to fast and if you go too slow.

Dont wish to sound condecending but what have you driven car wise ?

SteveR
02-03-08, 20:51
PM sent to those going, regarding the accommodation bookings & deposits. Cheers!

Sorry to anyone else who'd like to join in, buy it's a headache sorting out accommodation (it's a busy weekend at the GP circuit (DTM race) which makes things tricky) so unless you ask VERY nicely, very soon, I'm afraid the trip is now 'closed' to newcomers (see message edited into post 1 yesterday). :(

You can always stick your name down as a 'reserve' in case someone drops out. :)

Kirk
02-03-08, 20:57
Well with our work contract with alamo and guy salmon ive driven the big boys toys. m6, m5, few of the big mercs and audis, s8, rs4 etc but thats just droppin off and pickin up for work. Outside of work ive driven an exige at silverstone, couple of bpu supras, an rx7 and a 240sx s13. i know cause im young ud expect me to be a looney but i think im a gd, confident and safe driver.

SteveR
02-03-08, 21:06
Well with our work contract with alamo and guy salmon ive driven the big boys toys. m6, m5, few of the big mercs and audis, s8, rs4 etc but thats just droppin off and pickin up for work. Outside of work ive driven an exige at silverstone, couple of bpu supras, an rx7 and a 240sx s13. i know cause im young ud expect me to be a looney but i think im a gd, confident and safe driver.
Give me a shout quick then if you want to come :p

bignum
02-03-08, 21:32
The place looks great steve good work!!

Dnk
02-03-08, 21:45
Well with our work contract with alamo and guy salmon ive driven the big boys toys. m6, m5, few of the big mercs and audis, s8, rs4 etc but thats just droppin off and pickin up for work. Outside of work ive driven an exige at silverstone, couple of bpu supras, an rx7 and a 240sx s13. i know cause im young ud expect me to be a looney but i think im a gd, confident and safe driver.

I was just concerned if youd no experiance with powerful cars as the ring isnt the place to be learning. Sounds like youve got enough :d but be cautious at the ring as its very hard to memorise where your going unlike silverstone :)

bignum
02-03-08, 22:36
I was just concerned if youd no experiance with powerful cars as the ring isnt the place to be learning. Sounds like youve got enough :d but be cautious at the ring as its very hard to memorise where your going unlike silverstone :)

GT4 everyday 2 months solid before heading out, does it with eyes shut,:d

SteveR
02-03-08, 22:37
GT4 everyday 2 months solid before heading out, does it with eyes shut,:d
Forza 2 on the 360 ;)

Ian R
02-03-08, 22:37
GT4 everyday 2 months solid before heading out, does it with eyes shut,:d

You watched the video Steve posted then :D

bignum
02-03-08, 22:41
Forza 2 on the 360 ;)

I was working at someones house the other day and he had that on, so i took over, very realistic, more so than gt i thought.

SteveR
09-03-08, 15:00
Update: I've just had confirmation, we're all staying in the same place :)
Sorted

jaymdee
09-03-08, 16:42
Nice one!!

B_18-Turbo
10-03-08, 12:15
<--- this one is also with you.Im really happy to meet you there and see some nice cars.

SteveR
10-03-08, 12:17
<--- this one is also with you.Im really happy to meet you there and see some nice cars.
Excellent - I'll add you on to the list of people 'joining us out there'. :thumbs:

Trig
10-03-08, 19:28
can you put me on the list of reserves please :)

SteveR
10-03-08, 21:14
can you put me on the list of reserves please :)
Certainly can :)

SteveR
18-03-08, 18:29
Darren and Robbie! :twak:


I've just checked who's paid and who's not:



Name Paid Date Balance Outstanding* (due by 24th May)
SteveR+1 £120 5th March £120
SEVENMAN+1 £120 5th March £120
jaymdee+1 £120 5th March £120
ShamelessTT+1 £120 5th March £120
Henk £60 13th March £60
Joe+1 £120 15th March £120
Bignum+1 £120 15th March £120
Andy £120 15th March -paid in full-
James £60 15th March £60
D-Bone
Robbie


* = depending on exchange rates in July, a top-up/refund may be required. Expect to top it up, the £:Euro rate is getting worse :(

Trig
18-03-08, 18:52
*waiting in antcipation*

really want to go....

SteveR
30-03-08, 22:57
ok I gave my new car a clean today, so it's now 100% ready to go, apart from:

service
fix gearbox leak
new rear tyres
get front number plate
replace driver's-side rear light cluster
sort out the chassis geometry
reduce exhaust noise significantly so I don't get banned (new exhaust/sections?)
get exhaust support made & fitted
fix non-working gauges
new brake pads?
regas air con!


:D

How's everyone else doing? Looking forward to the trip?

Kirk
30-03-08, 23:30
What are the chances of a runnin a polo on the ring? :D

SteveR
30-03-08, 23:32
What are the chances of a runnin a polo on the ring? :D
All sorts go round. Coaches full of biddies, for example.

Burna
31-03-08, 09:07
ok I gave my new car a clean today, so it's now 100% ready to go, apart from:

service
fix gearbox leak
new rear tyres
get front number plate
replace driver's-side rear light cluster
sort out the chassis geometry
reduce exhaust noise significantly so I don't get banned (new exhaust/sections?)
get exhaust support made & fitted
fix non-working gauges
new brake pads?


:D

How's everyone else doing? Looking forward to the trip?

Lol Not much then Ste! :blink: What pads are you going to go for?

bignum
31-03-08, 12:52
Err,fit
ecu, injectors, rail, fpr, dli, more gauges, then mapping, wastegate recirculate, quiten exhaust and give it all a major test/thrashing, so not much,:)easy

Burna
31-03-08, 15:25
Err,fit
ecu, injectors, rail, fpr, dli, more gauges, then mapping, wastegate recirculate, quiten exhaust and give it all a major test/thrashing, so not much,:)easy

You'd better pull your finger out too :d

SteveR
31-03-08, 19:15
Lol Not much then Ste! :blink: What pads are you going to go for?
Whatever it's got on now - I'm not sure how much there is left so stuck it on the list to remind myself to find out. :)

Number plate ordered today!

SteveR
31-03-08, 19:17
...quiten exhaust ...
Any more thoughts on that mate?

I want to get mine done before I go for geometry setup, as it'll affect the weight & distribution (ok, only slightly, but I'm a perfectionist and why would I do it the other way round when I have the choice !)

bignum
31-03-08, 21:05
Any more thoughts on that mate?

I want to get mine done before I go for geometry setup, as it'll affect the weight & distribution (ok, only slightly, but I'm a perfectionist and why would I do it the other way round when I have the choice !)

Probably a mid box and screamer pipe diverted back into zorst, the box will be very near the centre of the car and not weigh much, its going to be about a month before i get mine done matey.

Trig
31-03-08, 21:11
Steve has everyone paid?

SteveR
31-03-08, 21:12
Probably a mid box and screamer pipe diverted back into zorst, the box will be very near the centre of the car and not weigh much, its going to be about a month before i get mine done matey.
Where/who does 'em? How confident are you that we'll get down below 95dB?

If mine's ready (serviced & gearbox leak sorted) first do you mind if I get it done sooner before you if possible? Wouldn't mind one of your handy gearbox-mounted exhuast support brackets too if that's not too cheeky? :innocent: lol


EDIT - what was the camera & recorder you recommend I buy (for the Supe) mate? I've forgot :(

SteveR
31-03-08, 21:13
Steve has everyone paid?
Dunno, I lost my PIN reminder for the account people have paid into. :blink:

Are you extremely, extremely enthusiastic (& more importantly - realistic) about coming along? I might be able to squeeze one more in - PM me :)

bignum
31-03-08, 22:10
Where/who does 'em? How confident are you that we'll get down below 95dB?

If mine's ready (serviced & gearbox leak sorted) first do you mind if I get it done sooner before you if possible? Wouldn't mind one of your handy gearbox-mounted exhuast support brackets too if that's not too cheeky? :innocent: lol


EDIT - what was the camera & recorder you recommend I buy (for the Supe) mate? I've forgot :(

Wez had his done by haywood & scott, pretty sure his is 95 or less,
I can do you an exhaust bracket but you`d probably have to come up to me as jay is my welder and all the gear is here, can you check if youve still got the original bracket on there as ive bolted mine to that ,if not i`ll have to use a larger piece of angle steel.
I can supply a camera, the recorder can be had of ebay, theres various ones called mustek i think, around £100 then you`ll need a dc converter and a few leads which i can supply,
leave it with me buddy.

AndyBandit
31-03-08, 23:20
hi guys
talking of cameras i've just seen on the northloop forum that george (kermit)was banned for a weekend at the ring for posting up a video of one of his laps

SteveR
31-03-08, 23:35
Wez had his done by haywood & scott, pretty sure his is 95 or less,
I can do you an exhaust bracket but you`d probably have to come up to me as jay is my welder and all the gear is here, can you check if youve still got the original bracket on there as ive bolted mine to that ,if not i`ll have to use a larger piece of angle steel.
I can supply a camera, the recorder can be had of ebay, theres various ones called mustek i think, around £100 then you`ll need a dc converter and a few leads which i can supply,
leave it with me buddy.
Cool, cheers mate :thumbs:


hi guys
talking of cameras i've just seen on the northloop forum that george (kermit)was banned for a weekend at the ring for posting up a video of one of his laps
Gutted! Kermit is a member on here - I'll PM him for ths full story. I guess it's difficult to deny who's very fast lime green & black Supra is featured in website videos doing 7:54 laps. :(

Obviously any cameras any of us are thinking about fitting won't be in the cars when we go to the 'Ring. I was talking more generally...


:taped:

kermit2
01-04-08, 09:16
Hi Steve, yea that was me being far two complacent with the whole thing, Heres the link

Sorry the link belows appears not to work it might be because you have to be a member to log on to the forum I will find out (Yes its members only)

http://z8.invisionfree.com/Northloop/index.php?act=Track&f=1&t=9200

What worries some is that this is a first ban of this type that means its moving to a new level because this ban was for posting a video,

on saying that the car stands out like a sore thumb and all the Marshall's know the car so it wasn't rocket science for them to identify the car that took the video.

It could have been a lot worse I buy a JK each year they could have taken that away so no more videos from the Kermit, anyone got any black paint

SteveR
01-04-08, 09:48
Hi George. Wow. :(

It is worrying that they would ban you for posting videos up. I guess by the 'spirit' of the rules, videoing is banned and if you've posted a video you must have been videoing, so although they didn't spot you in the act, they've punished you anyway. :(
As you say, at least you kept your annual ticket!

Will you be out there when we go in July?


(BTW the link does require a login)

4packet
01-04-08, 10:26
Just read through the Northloop link.

Everything I've read recently indicates a tougher policy regarding 'Ring' use. Noise, TUV, price etc etc. Bound to happen though given the huge numbers using the Ring these days. They can afford to be fussy now and still make a good profit.

Has anyone been caught just having the camera mounted in/on the car? Would be interested to know what punishment the Marshals would issue then.

Extra care required me thinks as its a long way to go just to park in a carpark.....

kermit2
01-04-08, 11:22
This was totally my fault as there is a site with the photo of the car with the title see the video, well what can you expect thats taking the mickey really, I was far two complacent and got what I deserved,

I think not to get paranoid over this it was just a one off, nothing much has changed, in the past if you were stoped at the barrier with a camera you were told to remove it,

I not sure now, there has been enough publicity on the subject it just might be an automatic ban for the day so be very careful but there is still 4 ring videos a day being posted on youtube so what does that tell you

I will be there in July see you there

SteveR
01-04-08, 12:19
How loud is your car George, I can't remember? Have you had any TEV/modification issues since they started looking more closely at that?

kermit2
01-04-08, 15:17
the exhaust is very quiet just 93bds at 4500 revs so fine with noise, always a bit concerned with driveby though due to waistgate noise, but have had no problems at the ring so far.

They are enforcing exhaust noise quite severely I had 3 marshals stand behind my car last Saturday all listening to me pulling away from the barrier, If it sounds anywhere near close to the limit of 98dbs they will noise test you and its a long way to go to be turned away at the barrier

when I acquired the car it had a Blitz system at 104 bds totally useless for me as its only used for track work, so spent a lot of money to replace the system to make it Quiet also to reshape and raise it up as the car was set low and the Blitz was touching the ground at the depression, especially at the ring so all is good now

SteveR
01-04-08, 17:07
the exhaust is very quiet just 93bds at 4500 revs so fine with noise, always a bit concerned with driveby though due to waistgate noise, but have had no problems at the ring so far.

They are enforcing exhaust noise quite severely I had 3 marshals stand behind my car last Saturday all listening to me pulling away from the barrier, If it sounds anywhere near close to the limit of 98dbs they will noise test you and its a long way to go to be turned away at the barrier

when I acquired the car it had a Blitz system at 104 bds totally useless for me as its only used for track work, so spent a lot of money to replace the system to make it Quiet also to reshape and raise it up as the car was set low and the Blitz was touching the ground at the depression, especially at the ring so all is good now
I am going through similar works myself - exhuast and adjusting the suspension - I bought a new (single turbo) Supe :)
Si is goping single, too. We're planning on getting the wastegate plumbed back into the exahust to keep the drive-by noise levels down, too.

Robbie
01-04-08, 17:37
Hi. Steve.

Sorry for any delays with money, it'll be done tonight!

Re: exhaust...All I can say is I wish I'd done it earlier. Even with the same exhaust back box as before the result is huge. Ive got to get it tested soon but driving/ overtaking is now done without the ear splitting scream and even std driving/ motorway cruising is quite reasonable:)

Simon. What setup/single are you installing?

#I still havn't got the proper built engine back in yet But all the parts have been collected. I'm currently having direct port meth. 51water/49meth mix inj. being installed to give me a few more hp and run a degrees cooler. The std cams are strangling the cars performance :rolleyes:, and the heavy wheels ruining the suspension setup I think:blink:. I'm going to soften up the anti roll settings on the front and drop it a notch on the suspension. also I might increase the camber by 1.5 degrees, Although I'm not really all sure what the combined results will be.
Anyone got any 17"/ 18 " lightweight wheels for sale:) and a set of 264 cams???

kermit2
01-04-08, 17:46
Glad you found a good Supe Steve, shame to reroute through the exhaust co's they do sound nice on full boost, and apparently I'v been told it Will restrict a bit of BHP. There are only 2 tracks that I visit where it trips the drivby meters and thats Donington & Goodwood so I had a small muffler made that fits to the end of the down pipe and shaped to be strapped to the exhaust pipe take just seconds to fit but just muffles the the noise enough to get on track.

Has Bignum still got his camera hidden in the spoiler. a couple of weeks ago the marshalls got wind of a car with a bullet cam in the front spoiler pulled him over and found it behind the mesh they made him take it off was not banned though but it was close, depends on the marshall that finds it and what mood he's in I think

bignum
01-04-08, 19:03
Hi rob, i picked up a phr stage 2+ kit at the right price, gone with aem to run it with 800 injectors/hks rail, just looking forward to getting it running properly now, how are you getting used to using a gear stick?

SteveR
01-04-08, 19:14
Anyone got any 17"/ 18 " lightweight wheels for sale:)
Rob - I've got some scruffy stock 17"s in the garage if they're of interest? All of them need new tyres though.


I had a small muffler made that fits to the end of the down pipe and shaped to be strapped to the exhaust pipe take just seconds to fit but just muffles the the noise enough to get on track.
Hmmm - that's quite interesting.... and :sly: Do you know what dB you reach on full chat, measured from the trackside?


Has Bignum still got his camera hidden in the spoiler. a couple of weeks ago the marshalls got wind of a car with a bullet cam in the front spoiler pulled him over and found it behind the mesh they made him take it off was not banned though but it was close, depends on the marshall that finds it and what mood he's in I think
Si (Bignum) hasn't got any hidden cameras George. :innocent:

Robbie
01-04-08, 19:18
Hi rob, i picked up a phr stage 2+ kit at the right price, gone with aem to run it with 800 injectors/hks rail, just looking forward to getting it running properly now, how are you getting used to using a gear stick?

Simon
Awsome kit that.:) I'd imagine You'll want the 264 cams to get the best out of it and maybe another fuel pump and if you ever want to run much above 1.4 bar:d .
With regard to the screamer pipe t67 ish setup with a 3" inch exhaust you'll not notice any power loss. You might at 2bar boost:eyebrows:
I have to say I really like the manual . The std cams mean good low down torque but maybe up 50 hp less at 1.4 bar I was bored of the high stall Bl box setup but it did get the car up 100 nice and fast:d. cruising at 2400 rpms in 6th 80+ leptons is a novelty to me! Improved fuel consumption too. And its quiet:d
Ive transfered one of the tranny coolers to the power steering and the oil cooler is now on its own. Ive also put a special gasket between the inlet plenum and the head to reduce heat transfer.
I think I'l try put r888's on the front 245's.

SteveR
01-04-08, 19:20
Impressive efforts Robbie!

Jspec Germany
01-04-08, 19:23
Robbie, how hard was it to get a tranny cooler installed? I'm thinking I may need to do this asap. Also, do you have a parts list you could share? Man, I wish I was manual. I'm still shopping for a 6spd single. If the right one were to come along, I may piss off the wife.

Robbie
02-04-08, 12:26
Fitting a tranny cooler is not too complicated.
The passenger side front vent is a good place for it.. At the moment your cooling is done by passing the oil through a pipe in front of main radiator and back into the transmission. Bypass this with some new braided hose to the cooler. if your lucky the old pipe might reach the position of the new cooler.

Here's one for sale: http://www.mkivsupra.net/vbb/showthread.php?t=144890

Jspec Germany
02-04-08, 18:23
May be too late. Someone appears to have snatched it.. but we'll see. Great find. Thanks. Barring that, what's cost on a new one and the associated mounting hardware and plumbing if you happen to know. Any good brands? I'll be looking in the U.S. as the exchange rate at the moment really kicks me in the junk.

SteveR
04-04-08, 19:34
Nice...
http://img405.imageshack.us/img405/5540/steil1280zs2.jpg

SteveR
04-04-08, 19:34
Also worth a read if you've not been before:
http://bridgetogantry.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=10&Itemid=30
^^ Some scary viedos there! That biker!! :eek: ^^

bignum
05-04-08, 12:35
Great picture mate, is that just before the carousell?

SteveR
06-04-08, 11:00
Great picture mate, is that just before the carousell?
That's the one!

You arrive from the right hand side of that scene; heading up the steep hill, head round the bend in the foreground and up the short 'straight' to the carousell which you can just see on the left hand side under a blue sign/whatever it is.

Ian R
06-04-08, 11:01
stop it you lot im jealous

Jspec Germany
07-04-08, 10:58
That's the one!

You arrive from the right hand side of that scene; heading up the steep hill, head round the bend in the foreground and up the short 'straight' to the carousell which you can just see on the left hand side under a blue sign/whatever it is.

Many a great pass happen right there. Good times!

SteveR
07-04-08, 12:34
Many a great pass happen right there. Good times!
Ian's hopefully sorting his life out so he can come on the trip in July - are you certain you can't make it Mike? :(

Jspec Germany
09-04-08, 06:17
Ian's hopefully sorting his life out so he can come on the trip in July - are you certain you can't make it Mike? :(

Not unless the Vegas trip gets cancelled, but there's always hope. As soon as I hear word if it does, though, you will know.

SteveR
18-04-08, 16:18
Not unless the Vegas trip gets cancelled, but there's always hope. As soon as I hear word if it does, though, you will know.
Good to know buddy. Not that I'd wish ill on your Vegas plans, but I hope they get rescheduled and you both can make it over to see us for a little drive :eyebrows: and a few :friday:

SteveR
18-04-08, 16:22
Mini update:

Bignum and a few others are planning on staying (almost) overnight at the Ashford Travelodge 30~40 mins from the ferry terminal, the night before we go (i.e. staying the night of Wednesday 23rd & I guess checking out soon after 5am on the 24th).

I'm undecided about what I'll be doing at the moment, but for info to those booked on the trip a room is around the £60 mark if you decide it's a good plan for you. :thumbs:

Tom S
18-04-08, 16:51
Good to know buddy. Not that I'd wish ill on your Vegas plans, but I hope they get rescheduled and you both can make it over to see us for a little drive :eyebrows: and a few :friday:

Mint get me some Gin Steve ;) (c/o Mike he's aware)

Sevenman
24-04-08, 11:07
Thought I would post to introduce myself since I finally sorted out insurance which doesn't exclude the Ring and booked my ferry...

I don't know anybody else who is going apart from SteveR who works at the same place as me, so this post should let you know a bit.

My car is a single-turbo with custom ECU and full 3" exhaust, UK-Spec, 1997 in silver. Few small mods to suspension and brakes but nothing major. Fairly quick, runs just over 1.4 bar boost at peak but then the boost tapers at higher revs as the turbo can't keep up. Produces an interesting rolling road plot...

Rolling Road Session (http://www.sevenman.f2s.com/blog/?p=9)

Have been to one Supra meet in Feb 2007 where the more angular styling of my car really made it stand out.

Supra Meet Pics (http://www.flickr.com/photos/trubble_pics/sets/72157594540807223/)

Have taken it on the track a bit, first trip was to the Nurburgring back in 2003, which was good fun although suffered from a bit of brake fade, and then a broken wastegate actuator clip which meant I lost all boost mid-lap. Ring Racing fixed it for 10 euros which was nice.

Also been to Anglesey (http://www.flickr.com/photos/trubble_pics/sets/72157594422539097/), Goodwood and Croft (http://www.flickr.com/photos/trubble_pics/sets/72157594422554023/).

I look forward to meeting the rest of you in Dover at some crazily early time :)

SteveR
24-04-08, 11:13
Welcome Gavin :wave:


Have been to one Supra meet in Feb 2007 where the more angular styling of my car really made it stand out.

You finally admit it! ;)

4packet
24-04-08, 11:22
Ha - was just waiting for someone to jump on you for claiming to own a 97 Uk-spec.... then I saw the power curve and associated pics!

Thought I would take this opportunity to mention that my group have finally agreed on this date for the Ring so will see you out there. I should be in the Supra, the others are still undecided (non-Supra however). Will arrive Friday lunch time and leave late Sunday afternoon.

I know accomodation will be tricky due to the DTM, but does anyone know of any vacancies (I know its a long shot!)?

Martin

bignum
24-04-08, 11:32
Hi sevenman, welcome,another single supra on the trip, cool, can i ask who youve insured with as mines up for renewing just before we go.
4packet, be good if you can make these dates, there may be some accomadation where we stayed last year, steve has the details for them if needed.

bignum
24-04-08, 11:35
Saab!!, missed that,lol, someone for my bro to race then,:)

4packet
24-04-08, 11:48
Saab!!, missed that,lol, someone for my bro to race then,:)

Did I read somewhere that your bro had a Sierra with a Cosworth 24v lump in it? I used to run one, fine car it was, possibly the best ever car I'll own if you include cost against fun/reliability and ability to take abuse.

Looking forward to meeting you guys out there. Unfort my pal won't be bringing the screaming Fezza this year due to the noise limits.

Sevenman
24-04-08, 12:04
Glad I managed to add some confusion before revealing the truth about the car :d

As for racing, "driving quickly" is probably enough for me, my gf is coming along so if I start messing about too much I'll be in all sorts of trouble :blink:

Anyway, 290bhp though the front wheels on fairly standard suspension doesn't make for the fastest track car, but hopefully it'll do ok...

Regarding insurance, this has caused me a lot of work.

You probably know the ring is not really a racetrack, but a German toll road.

This has some consequences

a) Strictly speaking, legally you must have 3rd party cover - unlike usual UK trackdays
b) German police have control

From what I have worked out, the approach seems to be :

1) Check your insurance docs, look for mention of the Nurburgring. If it says it is excluded, then that's bad, or if it says it excludes "derestricted toll roads", that's also bad.

2) Get other insurance quotes, but do not ask the insurer if they will cover you for the ring. They will then either not sell you a policy or make a provision that says it is excluded. Have had helpful feedback from Ben Lovejoy on this.

3) When you have a quote that is ok, ask for them to send you a copy of the policy booklet before you accept since you "really enjoy reading insurance small print". On receipt of this, have a look and see if it is excluded.

4) If it isn't excluded, then you should be covered

However, it is still very much worth driving as if you don't have insurance. Any claim from the Ring is going to be awkward and best avoided. If I trash my car I don't plan to claim, just live with it and the armco bill (can someone give Naomi and I a lift back to the UK?).

jaymdee
25-04-08, 13:00
Mini update:

Bignum and a few others are planning on staying (almost) overnight at the Ashford Travelodge 30~40 mins from the ferry terminal, the night before we go (i.e. staying the night of Wednesday 23rd & I guess checking out soon after 5am on the 24th).

I'm undecided about what I'll be doing at the moment, but for info to those booked on the trip a room is around the £60 mark if you decide it's a good plan for you. :thumbs:

I booked the Margate Travelodge, £39 for a twin room 17 miles away from Dover

bignum
25-04-08, 16:33
I booked the Margate Travelodge, £39 for a twin room 17 miles away from Dover

Crikey thats a good price!!

Robbie
30-04-08, 12:06
Its not looking good for as of this week on the trip. :(

I'm building a small house at the moment as well as my normal day job and delays/extra costs mean I'll probably be finishing as much of it off myself. I have to get this finished and let out asap so the trip as of now is on hold.

I'm gutted to say the least:(

Sorry Guys.

SteveR
30-04-08, 12:29
Its not looking good for as of this week on the trip. :(

I'm building a small house at the moment as well as my normal day job and delays/extra costs mean I'll probably be finishing as much of it off myself. I have to get this finished and let out asap so the trip as of now is on hold.

I'm gutted to say the least:(

Sorry Guys.
Nooo Robbie :(

I'm going to send PMs to everyone who is currently signed up in the next day or so (meant to do it last night), as the cut-off for full deposit payments is just over 3 weeks away. So you have till then to decide/change your mind again. :)

bignum
30-04-08, 20:02
Don`t worry rob i`ll send the diy sos crew round to finish off, seriously though are you sure you can`t make it?

SteveR
30-04-08, 20:20
Mini update: PM#4 sent to thse going - just a reminder that any outstanding balances for the B&B are due in the next few weeks.

Si, can you pass to Joe please, and prod Andy/James if they don't read the forum much? Cheers buddy :)


Robbie, don't drop out! :(

ShamelessTT
01-05-08, 11:11
Hi all,

I called Admiral (who insures me), im covered on green card to drive in europe but they wont cover me on the track. Basically im covered till i get to the track lol.....they dont offer any cover for the circuit, so i cant pay more.

Any idea where i can get cover for these 7 days? whats everyone else doing?

Si

colsoop
01-05-08, 11:30
Just get cover for the days on track here: http://www.morispayment.co.uk/trackday_quick_cover.asp

SteveR
01-05-08, 12:46
I called Admiral (who insures me), im covered on green card to drive in europe but they wont cover me on the track. Basically im covered till i get to the track lol.....they dont offer any cover for the circuit, so i cant pay more.
It's not a circuit Si, it's a one-way toll road. (seriously!) UNless your insurance names the Nurburgring or specifically excludes roads that are sometimes used as tracks, I would expect you to be covered.
Gavin went through similar fun recently:
http://www.mkivsupra.net/vbb/showpost.php?p=1917747&postcount=221

ShamelessTT
01-05-08, 13:01
ahhh right thanks muchly, ill have to ring (get it!, bandum tish!) them back on that one! :) Give them a blazing!

ShamelessTT
01-05-08, 13:14
Darn, it does say it on the bottom of my cover note. "Does not cover use on Nurburgring or for racing, pace making, track day blah blah blah". Right in the small print, cheeky devils!.

Ah well......looks like ill have to insure via that link colsoop provided. Do i need insurance for my passenger? they arent driving. Its not clear on that site...

Si

Jspec Germany
01-05-08, 13:17
Still gutted I won't be seein you boys down at the ring. *wishes for Vegas trip to cancel*

SteveR
01-05-08, 17:37
Ah well......looks like ill have to insure via that link colsoop provided. Do i need insurance for my passenger? they arent driving. Its not clear on that site...

Doh! :(
No idea mate, best to ring them and check - I'd have thought that personal accident cover is a seperate thing to motoring insurance, however. You don't need the former, to be legal when driving the 'Ring.


Still gutted I won't be seein you boys down at the ring. *wishes for Vegas trip to cancel*
/me crosses fingers and toes :)

bignum
01-05-08, 21:58
The problem with that morris site is they cover trackday`s, were not going on a trackday.

ShamelessTT
01-05-08, 23:08
Yeh i noticed that 2, there was no between dates lol........grr....on the hunt i go, but id rather not use some random joe.

colsoop
02-05-08, 06:31
The problem with that morris site is they cover trackday`s, were not going on a trackday.

But if your insurance company don't cover you (elephant name Nurburgring as an exclusion and a lot, if you look don't cover unrestricted toll roads which the N'ring is ) then who are you going to get coverage with ?
That Moris site name the Nurbugring in their list of events, no big deal though just trying to help :)

Sevenman
02-05-08, 07:47
But if your insurance company don't cover you (elephant name Nurburgring as an exclusion and a lot, if you look don't cover unrestricted toll roads which the N'ring is ) then who are you going to get coverage with ?
That Moris site name the Nurbugring in their list of events, no big deal though just trying to help :)


Morris will insure your car for damage it suffers when you share paint with the Armco on the Nurburgring, as they will for any trackday.

It won't be cheap, and I think the fact we could be on the track at any time over 5 days would mean 5 days cover if that's what you wanted.

My view on this is that if I couldn't afford to live without my car, I wouldn't take it on the track. I do however own a 10 year old Saab, and they depreciate as fast as French cars, but I am still attached to it so will be doing my best to keep on the black stuff.

However, the issue is with 3rd party cover - according to German law you need this, Ring laps aren't trackdays. Morris won't cover you for claims made against you if anything happens with 3rd parties. I phoned them a few weeks back when sorting my insurance and they couldn't help.

SteveR
02-05-08, 08:53
Si, it looks like you might have to bite the bullet and canel current insurance, and take out a policy with a known good company (i.e. one with no exclusions that affect the trip). :(

Gavin (Sevenman) has to do that just the other week.

4packet
02-05-08, 09:36
But if your insurance company don't cover you (elephant name Nurburgring as an exclusion and a lot, if you look don't cover unrestricted toll roads which the N'ring is ) then who are you going to get coverage with ?
That Moris site name the Nurbugring in their list of events, no big deal though just trying to help :)

I appreciate it’s a bit of a tenuous exclusion, but the Ring does have a speed limit on one section at Adenau where you can exit/enter the circuit. Wouldn't like to fight that argument though......

Sevenman
02-05-08, 11:58
I appreciate it’s a bit of a tenuous exclusion, but the Ring does have a speed limit on one section at Adenau where you can exit/enter the circuit. Wouldn't like to fight that argument though......

If you don't need to claim for damage to your own car, it's an argument you are unlikely to have to fight.

People crash, and it could happen to any of us (especially SteveR with his dodgy tyres/suspension/engine). If you can cover Armco, recovery and your car damage then you are ok.

I haven't heard of 3rd party claims against anybody following incidents on the Ring, although have heard of them on UK trackdays where somebody has been taken out by especially bad driving.

It's a matter of risk. It is rather unlikely that there will be a crash, and then even more unlikely that it will lead to 3rd party insurance claims. Most people who go to the Ring probably don't even consider it.


Drive carefully...

SteveR
02-05-08, 12:00
People crash, and it could happen to any of us (especially SteveR with his dodgy tyres/suspension/engine).
oi! :twak:

ShamelessTT
03-05-08, 12:57
Hmm im going to have to do some research, see how much im talking for other insurance companys and which ones actually cover the ring.

I cant seem to source any 3rd parties yet that will cover more than one day.....il see how much they quote for 1 day then x5 it....

grrr, tony the tttt tiger

Si

Sevenman
04-05-08, 18:40
Worth noting that if you ask a normal insurance company whether they cover the Ring they will say no. Hence the approach seems to be to not mention it, get a copy of the details and then decide.

When you say you can't source any 3rd parties that will cover for more than one day, is that the specialist trackday companies who insure your Supra for its value of £xxx rather than give you 3rd party cover?

SteveR
07-05-08, 12:48
Announcement:
ShamelessTT has had to drop out due to insurance issues.
I shall offer the twin room he had booked to those on the reserves list - please get in touch if you want adding to the list.

If you decide to join us, full payments for the accommodation will be required by 20th May.

Thank you :)

bignum
07-05-08, 16:11
I knew it,:taped:

SteveR
12-05-08, 21:40
Reminder: 8 days to get your final monies in peeps. :thumbs:

....P.S. We may have a new car joining the fold - a MR2 Turbo. :sly:

Tom S
13-05-08, 10:04
Steve,

Mike may have some Gin for me ;) If he has can you pick it up and drop off to Linda or Ian to drop off in Newcastle

cheers

Tom

SteveR
13-05-08, 11:13
Steve,

Mike may have some Gin for me ;) If he has can you pick it up and drop off to Linda or Ian to drop off in Newcastle

cheers

Tom
I would if he were going, Tom, but he'll be in Vegas when we're over there. :(

Jspec Germany
13-05-08, 15:56
Steve,

Mike may have some Gin for me ;) If he has can you pick it up and drop off to Linda or Ian to drop off in Newcastle

cheers

Tom

Tom, you been drinking your coolant again? We may be able to work something out between now and then. Either I'll be out your way, or you may have to come down my way. As much as I'd like to say that they'll cancel this trip to Vegas, I know it's like 99% sure I'm going.