Carl_S Posted November 20, 2007 Share Posted November 20, 2007 I hear there are springs, and then there are the suspension struts. instead of replacing the whole thing all around the car, can I just go for springs. Maybe firmer springs? Im on standard shocks and springs. On the rear there is a rubber insert that gives ride height and stops bottoming out. My mechanic advised TEIN suspension all round, but this would be about 1 grand all fitted. seems very steep. help please. In newbieness. Carl Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
couv3z Posted November 20, 2007 Share Posted November 20, 2007 your mechanic is right Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homer Posted November 20, 2007 Share Posted November 20, 2007 Unless you're doing track days I just don't see the point of going for expensive aftermarket setups. Either replace the springs with an intermediate setup like the the Eibach springs, or get a custom setup from someone like Chris Wilson. It all depends on budget. If you have a couple of hundred to spend then the replacement springs are a good option (so long as you have good condition Bilstein shocks already). If you're going to spend £800+ on a replacement set you may as well get something setup specific to your needs like the ones Chris Wilson supplies and configures. The generic jap shock/spring replacements are just a waste of money IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carl_S Posted November 21, 2007 Author Share Posted November 21, 2007 Thats interesting homer, thanks. so I can only add new springs if I have good condition bilstein shocks? I have standard jspec shocks so new springs are not an option? Why do you feel generic jap shock/ spring replacements are a waste of money? Thanks Homer, Carl Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaymdee Posted November 21, 2007 Share Posted November 21, 2007 Hi mate. I used to have KYB Gas Ajust dampers (£200 set) and Eibach springs and IMHO, the combination was not too good. If you're spending £200 to get someone to fit them, then all the cost of geometry etc, I'd recommend doing it right and getting new Bilsteins and either stock J-spec or Eibach springs fitted, possibly looking at other components (top mounts etc) so you only pay the labour once. FWIW, I also tried the J-spec springs with Bilsteins and thought it rode too high, so had the Eibachs put onto the Bilsteins and think it's a good compromise for comfort, ride height and road holding etc Edit: you can get new Bilsteins for less than £400 a set J Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carl_S Posted November 21, 2007 Author Share Posted November 21, 2007 Thanks. So both the shock/damper and the spring plays a part in adjsting the ride stiffness? Is spring the same as coilover, or how they different? Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Wilson Posted November 21, 2007 Share Posted November 21, 2007 The damper valving needs to match the spring rate and the weight of the car, they work as a matched set up (or should...) If you put stiff springs on stock, or even worse, stock and worn, dampers, the control is not there, and you get a bad handling car, with a lousy ride quality. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carl_S Posted November 22, 2007 Author Share Posted November 22, 2007 oo thanks chris. so i should not just put eibach pro springs (for example) on stock 55k mile old j-spec suspension? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaymdee Posted November 22, 2007 Share Posted November 22, 2007 oo thanks chris. so i should not just put eibach pro springs (for example) on stock 55k mile old j-spec suspension? From reading Chris's post (and he's forgotten more about suspension than most other people will ever hope to know), I'd say not. The dampers will be aging and past their best and combining them with harder springs will not provide an 'optimised' set-up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carl_S Posted November 24, 2007 Author Share Posted November 24, 2007 thanks guys. I will chat to Chris about this. I feel enlightened. I can't live with my supra how it is, its way too scary to drive over bumps and uneven roads. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Wilson Posted November 25, 2007 Share Posted November 25, 2007 If you give me a ring on 07971-952084 office hours I'll go through the options, thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scooter Posted November 25, 2007 Share Posted November 25, 2007 ..........i've a sneaking suspicion that Chris does not 'know' Carl's car and hasn't even taken a peek at his garage pics Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Wilson Posted November 25, 2007 Share Posted November 25, 2007 Hmm, I have had a look, I can work wonders, but not miracles... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian W Posted November 25, 2007 Share Posted November 25, 2007 ..........i've a sneaking suspicion that Chris does not 'know' Carl's car and hasn't even taken a peek at his garage pics Hmm, I have had a look, I can work wonders, but not miracles... After taking a peek in the 'garage' can I just say..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homer Posted November 25, 2007 Share Posted November 25, 2007 hahaha Can just imagine the look on Chris's face Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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