View Full Version : Offers??? WTF?
Supra Pilot
09-09-07, 00:10
How about getting people to quit the 'OFFERS' bullshit when selling stuff!
I am amazed how many people do this rubbish(something like 7 out of 10)... stupid PM or e-mail game and wasting forum bandwidth with the usual questions!
The first question everyone always ask everytime is, "How much you want for it mate?"
So why not just put a forking price and done with it.....
Sorry but just hitting the forum hard again and spend a lot of time in those sections(just got another car and shopping around), I find it a major put off and just don't bother asking for a price as they obviously can't be bother to come clean with a price!
My suggestion......
Enforce that everything must have a price when selling!
Thanks
I agree, it is laziness that they cannot search to find out what the going rate is.
It always the case of people place an ad with "offers", then you offer say £50 for something and they turn round and tell you that is not enough, so clearly they have a price in mind.
It is so stupid the offers thing, it is not as if they have something that has never been sold on here before.
Oh and another thing, looking at a thread today and just because you have "authorised trader" status it does not mean to charge what over the top.
RobSheffield
09-09-07, 00:18
Fair point on the majority of items, but on rarer or not often seen items, its fair play.
I have several items for sale from my stock twin removal. You dont see prices advertised, as any time they are for sale or wanted you see 'pmd' so its difficult to guage a price.
Effectively 'offers' is/was/could have been discouraged ages ago, but it still crops up even on simple items that are sold so often.
I have several items for sale from my stock twin removal. You dont see prices advertised, as any time they are for sale or wanted you see 'pmd' so its difficult to guage a price.
Not aimed at you mate, but the offers thing is a load of bull anyway. For example and this only an example as they are now sold, but take your rear seats, if they had been up for sale for ages (by any member) and no one took them, then someone offered say a fiver for them, how many times out of 10 would the buyer decline that offer, as they already know a price that they would like, and woudl hold out, why not just name that "happy price" in the first place.
As for rarer items, is it not an indication to maybe come up with a price there and then as they might not be worth much as they are not really needed or required very often, hence why the search may draw a blank.
RobSheffield
09-09-07, 00:29
Good points Mark
Sometimes we should at least say 'offers above or around' or something i guess.
Like with my vacuum tank. Allegedly they used to fail a lot, not hear of many recently. Not seen what sort of price, and to be honest that and many other bits id accept so little for to help folks out if they needed them that its not worth me putting a price :p
I raised the same point a while back but it got a very hostile reception from a few people.
I think the gist of it ended up that people should be able to advertise their own stuff however they see fit and that enforcing more rules on people was seen as an unnecessary measure.
ISTR that Termy was the most indignant opponent to the suggested new rule.
For some reason my thread about this seems to have gone missing or my google-foo is weak tonight.
Or the other one (which I do not mind to much), Bidding.
And keeping the bidding amounts in the thread, what if someone had say a T61 unsed turbo forsale and they said they will keep the biiding open for 4 days, but in that time and it ended the highest bid was only £50, can yiou honestly see people hand it over for that? Only a few would that had a ounce of respect.
RobSheffield
09-09-07, 00:42
There are loads of things we should see on here, and loads we shouldnt, but unfortunately life aint perfect, and despite the majority following on, individuals will still carry on.
Ill go and edit my for sale thread into real prices :)
Supra Pilot
09-09-07, 00:44
Whatever someone is selling they must have a price in mind as when someone makes an offer, how the hell do they accept it or not if they did not have a price in mind in the first place!
I put it down to 'greed' and they are fishing for the highest price through PM's and other.
Sorry, fork off to e-bay and pay e-bays fees for that bidding and guessing game bullshit....
rgds :taped:
There are loads of things we should see on here, and loads we shouldnt, but unfortunately life aint perfect, and despite the majority following on, individuals will still carry on.
Well said Rob, although I hate it all I can do is moan about it. I know when I had my Supra I never EVER bought from anyone that had offers in their ad, as I would not be able to controll myself with an offer I would have accepted.
Whatever someone is selling they must have a price in mind as when someone makes an offer, how the hell do they accept it or not if they did not have a price in mind in the first place!
I put it down to 'greed' and they are fishing for the highest price through PM's and other.
Sorry, fork off to e-bay and pay e-bays fees for that bidding and guessing game bullshit....
rgds :taped:
I draw your attention to my "trader statement" in an earlier post whith regards to greed factor.
RobSheffield
09-09-07, 00:50
I put it down to 'greed' and they are fishing for the highest price through PM's and other
A lot of the time it IS down to greed, i honestly dont look at that much for sale, but i can guess many do say offers.
I still maintain that some will be similar to mine, and just dont have a clue what its worth!
I have edited mine though :)
I was speaking to Rob the other day, he bought an item off me and I found out from 2 others it was way to low, however when asked that is what I was happy with. I had no idea how much these were worth as I have never seen the being asked for before.
RobSheffield
09-09-07, 00:52
Items are always only worth what a buyer is willing to pay.
There was this one time, at Band Camp, Matt C was selling some wheels. It said "Offers". I PM'd him and said "what's the best offer so far?"
He said £x amount (I forget the figure)
I said OK I'll offer £x + 200
He said "Bugger, I've just accepted that offer! Sorry."
This was all within an hour of the advert first being posted.
Why ask for offers and then take the first one?
There was this one time, at Band Camp, Matt C was selling some wheels.
That whole band camp thing will always be funny.
Supra Pilot
09-09-07, 01:15
Granted some items may do in fact warrent 'offers'... the odd bits and pieces and maybe and something that someone genuinely does not care what they get for it as they just want shot of... wether they get £10 or £100... They just want the space(an old bumper etc)
But not a forking a car and shit like that.....
As Jamesmark said, if I see the 'Offers' bullshit I move on from the advert... not worth their time, it ain't worth mine!
:run:
RobSheffield
09-09-07, 08:47
True, a car up for 'offers' is a little odd!
Supradoopa
09-09-07, 09:09
Erm not sure which section to put this in but i've got two orange indicator bulbs for sale OFFERS PLEASE :rlol:
I personally think we shouldn't allow 'offers' on ads at all - I agree it's frustrating and that sellers should be putting a price on all ads. However, I'm not sure the majority agree with this viewpoint for anything to be done about it.
Cheers,
Brian.
True, a car up for 'offers' is a little odd!
Agreed, however, there are on occasion some items where somebody genuinely doesn't know what it is worth. That's when they are most vulnerable, as then the forum vultures come by swooping in with rediculously low bids in the hope that they will bag a bargain.
But, how do we as a club enforce it. How can we impose a price on an item that is for sale with offers?
good lord people its just a forum. If people put 'offers' then make them an offer for what YOU are willing to pay for the item, surely you must know what its worth just like they are supposed to?
If you dont want to make an offer then dont make an offer. If nobody makes an offer then they wont sell it.
JB
I usually have a set price if I sell anything on here. If I genuinely don't know what something is worth I'll stick it on ebay and post a link. :)
Supradoopa
09-09-07, 09:42
good lord people its just a forum. If people put 'offers' then make them an offer for what YOU are willing to pay for the item, surely you must know what its worth just like they are supposed to?
If you dont want to make an offer then dont make an offer. If nobody makes an offer then they wont sell it.
JB
At last someone speaks sense on this topic :)
Can we lock it now Branners :taped:
I can see both sides of the coin on this but as said offer what you think it is worth, if they don't accept it then its their gamble, as your offer may be the only one they receive ;)
Sometimes it works in your favour as if they are after offers then they are less inclined to take the first one that comes along giving those who aren't on the forum all the time a bite at the cherry. Rather than losing out because another member who frequents regularly bought the item at the asking price.
Supra Pilot
09-09-07, 11:19
good lord people its just a forum. If people put 'offers' then make them an offer for what YOU are willing to pay for the item, surely you must know what its worth just like they are supposed to?
If you dont want to make an offer then dont make an offer. If nobody makes an offer then they wont sell it.
JB
Sorry John, you may be the big boss.. Some will probably kiss your arse not to offend and kneel to your words like one above has already done.. :rolleyes:
But sorry mate, a more constructive point of view should be 'offered' from you.. especially from you!
I have spoken to more than a handfull of members on here within the last week or 2 and all have said the same thing.. the 'offers' game sucks.
It seems to be a 'so called clever guise' of trying it on to get the most money from your fellow 'club members'.
Thats not in the spirit of a being 'a good club member'.... and the 'ones' from a top should set a constructive example!
Just my thoughts..... :hi:
Rgds
Mmmm. Not sure. Sometimes people dont know how much things are worth, both from sellers and buyers. As a buyer though Id rather know how much the seller would like.
Supra Pilot
09-09-07, 11:26
Sig now ammended.... :taped:
good lord people its just a forum.
I wish this line of thinking was adhered to more. :rolleyes:
Disclaimer for anyone to get on their horse: -Comment not solely directed at this thread and offers, but other threads where people kick off at the slightest thing.
You do realise that you don't have to buy things from people who annoy you?
Ultimately if people stop making offers / buying from the offenders they might change, otherwise the system must be working for those who accept it.
If people want to get the best price they can, why not put it on ebay and link it to their add on the forum... that way everyone's happy ?!
Yep, why don't we ban people from listing offers
and from sticking "Expert" under their forum name when they are clearly not
and only post stuff directly related to the thread and not go off topic
and make the thread titles pertinent to the content
and ....
or we can accept what we like and pass over what we don't
supra-lover
09-09-07, 13:22
good lord people its just a forum. If people put 'offers' then make them an offer for what YOU are willing to pay for the item, surely you must know what its worth just like they are supposed to?
If you dont want to make an offer then dont make an offer. If nobody makes an offer then they wont sell it.
JB
yes well said that man,,,, jeeeeezzz fuss over nothing, think somebody needs to get out more :p
Sorry John, you may be the big boss.. Some will probably kiss your arse not to offend and kneel to your words like one above has already done.. :rolleyes:
But sorry mate, a more constructive point of view should be 'offered' from you.. especially from you!
I have spoken to more than a handfull of members on here within the last week or 2 and all have said the same thing.. the 'offers' game sucks.
It seems to be a 'so called clever guise' of trying it on to get the most money from your fellow 'club members'.
Thats not in the spirit of a being 'a good club member'.... and the 'ones' from a top should set a constructive example!
Just my thoughts..... :hi:
Rgds
You should know by now that Im hardly a good constructive example for the forum.
If the majority of members want us to put a rule in place to stop the crazy 'offers' situation where members try to get money for parts then we will listen.
You might also want to show some respect with your posts, what I posted was quite reasonable and did not warrant a response about people kissing my arse. You might not choose to kiss my arse, but you will show me and the moderation team some respect when we reply to what you have posted.
JB
To be Fair, if someone put up a Racelogic system for "offers" and you bid £100 and the seller accepted would you still be ranting about how shit ofeers are?:)
RobSheffield
09-09-07, 20:54
good lord people its just a forum.
JB
Im glad it wasnt just me thinking that :p
I tried to explain the majority point of view, the thread seams to be raging as if its humanities worst problem, so ill leave certain folks to thrash it out :p
To be Fair, if someone put up a Racelogic system for "offers" and you bid £100 and the seller accepted would you still be ranting about how shit ofeers are?:)
That is also a valid point, however with things that are known to be of high value I don't think people would be that dumb as to take £100 for something worth 3-4 times that.
To be Fair, if someone put up a Racelogic system for "offers" and you bid £100 and the seller accepted would you still be ranting about how shit ofeers are?:)
Is that how much they are worth then? I'l bear that in mind next time I see one for sale. I'll be clever though - I'll go for £150 then I'll outbid everyone ;)
Mike
PhilMorrison
09-09-07, 22:53
THANK YOU!! :D.
I'm relatively new here, so didn't feel it was my place to say, but I've never used such an annoying for sale section as mkivsupra. Stating 'offers' is the most frustrating thing to see as a potential buyer, and to be honest probably put's alot of buyers off completely.
Supra Pilot
09-09-07, 23:17
Apologizes John... didn't mean to come over in a bad way..
As I stated I am again with a fresh Supra and on the look out to improve bits and pieces so have been trawling the 'for sale' section heavily past few weeks and found it rather a waste of time and frustrating with most things on there, because for one, as a so called newbie 'again', I have not got a clue what prices are these days myself, so making an offer is impossible!
The seller obviously knows the value, otherwise he won't be selling, would he. :sly:
Anyway as I got that out of my system and I see the majority posting in here share the 'same sentiments', it is obviously a problem...... ;)
Rgds
The seller obviously knows the value, otherwise he won't be selling, would he.
Not sure I agree with your logic there Dom. There's plenty of reasons folks sell stuff other than thinking "I could get £x for this"
(FWIW, I don't like "offers" either)
Supra Pilot
09-09-07, 23:38
Ok yes you are correct there... Thats rather a general sweeping statement..
Apologizes there. Frustrating when trying to type out a point, surf other sites and the forking wife talking trying to converse with me about something thats usually pointless and I have to just answer the usual 'yes yes' every 2-3 minutes agreeing to something I will regret within the next day or so as I apparently agreed to let her buy new double glazing or 10 pairs of new shoes or somat.. :whoosh: .. :shrug:
You want to get a Mrs like mine then. I might be tempted to let her go quite cheap.
What's your best offer?
Supra Pilot
10-09-07, 01:01
Might be interested mate!
Send me some specs... Age, weight, dimentions, hygiene habits, running cost and of course some photos(good photographs sell, so don't be shy)
Regards to offers on her, not sure as my experience on the outside is now limited to clubs that keep their flesh but allow me to donate a tenner to their best needs in return for showing me their T4 flanges in a private dance backstage! :drool:
Anyway as I got that out of my system and I see the majority posting in here share the 'same sentiments', it is obviously a problem...... ;)Yes but a majority of 19 (which is the number of people who have replied to this thread, including the mods) isn't very many considering the number of members of this club, so that obviously shows most people don't think there is a problem.
Given price details are now shown on the threads listing, it should be easy to spot those people asking for offers and just avoid the threads all together so I personaly don't think there is any need to try and enforce people always putting a price. If you want to get the point across to sellers that "offers" aren't liked, why don't you post up in their thread offering £5 and when they say no post up asking how much do they want for it then? Either that or just ignore the thread.
Supra Pilot
10-09-07, 10:10
Mawby,
19 people posted yes... but loads more have read the thread and I am 99% certain feel the same way.. but not being funny, when a guy like John comes on and posts up something like that, it puts most off! No disrespect to him, I have known him on here longer than most, thats his style, no problem with that. Others will be swayed differently into posting now.
It's also the same on all forums where ever you go, only a few balls enough and willing to 'type' what they think on keyboards, but when you meet in person(at a meet etc) others will tell you they agreed with what was said in this and that thread but it's not their style to come and say it on there...
Again thats cool, different strokes for different folks......
Anyway, I thought this section was titled 'CLUB SUGGESTIONS'?
I made a suggestion and also had a possible soloution but was not asked, or was not disscussed, instead it is pointed in the direction thats it's a waste of time before listening to the actual suggestion.
Again mate, no problem....
Rgds :)
I asked a question directed at you (as you were the thread starter), in post #23, that how do we as a club enforce it or impose a price on an item that is for sale with offers?
I haven't seen you come back with a suggestion, just a dig at JB, which is probably the reason why this thread has attracted so many views.
BTW I'm not a keyboard warrior either. But because I moderate, I have to say what I think in a tactful and diplomatic manner, and sometimes keep my opinion to myself.
Seems to me that you like to shake the tree or rattle the bars to try and get a reaction.
So as Mawby said, the for sale forum has been changed recently and the system seems to be working quite well.
We could perhaps, though impose a rule that when people post an item up for sale with offers, that they set a benchmark and state "offers over" and that gives others an idea of what the seller is after.
How does that sound as a suggestion? Not as draconian as yours is it?
Supra Pilot
10-09-07, 11:28
Easy tiger, no one as far as I can see is shaking trees...
Like me missing your question, you have also misread or miss-judged my sentiments.
There was no dig at John or anyone for that matter, just stating 'my' opinion.. 'hope this is allowed?'
For the record or in case someone missed it..
I made a 'Club Suggestion', a couple posters agreed, John stormed in and shot it down without disscussion, I made a point to say that he should not of done so and now I'm the bad draconian guy shaking trees. :rolleyes:
(And to make it clear, I'm not saying John's opinion is not allowed, but because of the figure he is, How and what he says carries great weight on here for some, and thats a fact.
As I said, John and I know each other for a very long time and imagine we are both big enough to understand each other and deal with it accordinly)
Hopefully this side is put to bed.... ^
With regard to your (or Mawby's) Suggestion about .. 'Offers Over'.... Then yes, it does sound a rather good idea, as that way everyone has a guide line as to a price and know if they'll be wasting time or not...
It has my vote.... :yes:
How about a macro that'll search the for sale forum and replace the word 'offer' with '50p', that would soon make people change their posts (or generate a shed load of bargains & subsequent dispute threads...)
Personally, I don't care.
b0svensson
10-09-07, 12:49
i dont like the offers, but there is a small place for it on items to get shot of, and the seller is genuinelly happy wether its 10 or a 100 quid. If in doubt cant the person who is thinkling of 'offering' the item post a price request in the forum, traders, members(anyone who knows there stuff) puts up approx prices seller takes the average and then puts for sale at a fair price for all.
i dont like the offers, but there is a small place for it on items to get shot of, and the seller is genuinelly happy wether its 10 or a 100 quid. If in doubt cant the person who is thinkling of 'offering' the item post a price request in the forum, traders, members(anyone who knows there stuff) puts up approx prices seller takes the average and then puts for sale at a fair price for all.
I agree. I put up an exhaust and wheels for sale for "offers" cos I genuinely don't care how much I get for them, I just want the space back in my garage. So I'd accept what someone who wants them is willing to pay.
I agree. I put up an exhaust and wheels for sale for "offers" cos I genuinely don't care how much I get for them, I just want the space back in my garage. So I'd accept what someone who wants them is willing to pay.
Fiver for all of it?
Fiver for all of it?
Wheels are sold. If you want the exhaust though you can have it.:)
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