ADD Posted July 30, 2007 Share Posted July 30, 2007 Evening guys, im heading up to Ian c's this coming sunday for mapping, is there anything i should do to prepare the car beforehand? change oil or plugs or ????? Obviously im gonna fill her up wiht ultimate or optimax. cheers ad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muffleman Posted July 30, 2007 Share Posted July 30, 2007 Oil change, check fluids etc basic stuff. I'd take a set of copper plugs for the mapping and some iridiums for when you're done. Have fun Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lui Posted July 30, 2007 Share Posted July 30, 2007 Good luck with the mapping Adam mate hope all goes well let us know how it's running when all done. Won't be long before im going up there once engine done & run in too. All the best Lui Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ADD Posted July 30, 2007 Author Share Posted July 30, 2007 cheers for that lads, ive just gone and got it all so will prep tomorrow for sunday....LUI cheers buddy certainly will let ya know. ad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homer Posted July 30, 2007 Share Posted July 30, 2007 As mentioned, get some new copper plugs in and gapped correctly. Swap them after the mapping is done as they won't be much good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_have Posted July 30, 2007 Share Posted July 30, 2007 Take a fire extinguisher Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muffleman Posted July 30, 2007 Share Posted July 30, 2007 And brown trousers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ADD Posted July 30, 2007 Author Share Posted July 30, 2007 awesom so fire extinguisher, brown trousers, plugs and oil.... where can i get the copper plugs from? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homer Posted July 30, 2007 Share Posted July 30, 2007 awesom so fire extinguisher, brown trousers, plugs and oil.... where can i get the copper plugs from? any local part co or local motor factors will have them. They're normally £12-14 for 6. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy-No-Knee Posted July 30, 2007 Share Posted July 30, 2007 Why copper plugs to map with and not the same type as he will use to run with (IK24's)? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homer Posted July 30, 2007 Share Posted July 30, 2007 Why copper plugs to map with and not the same type as he will use to run with (IK24's)? Iridiums are at risk of the tips failing during mapping conditions (i.e where det will occur), which can lead to severe engine damage. Copper plugs are more resistant to det (they begin to melt rather than fail) so are always used for mapping. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muffleman Posted July 30, 2007 Share Posted July 30, 2007 Have a read in here mate http://www.mkivsupra.net/vbb/showthread.php?t=41927 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr keef Posted July 30, 2007 Share Posted July 30, 2007 some folk use copper all the time just change them more regular;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homer Posted July 30, 2007 Share Posted July 30, 2007 some folk use copper all the time just change them more regular;) I was having a chat with Lui this evening about the recommendation by some (eg. Chis Wilson) to swap to Iridiums after mapping and not to use copper plugs. One thing that’s not clear is *why* this change should be made? Why swap to a potentially more fragile plug with no other benefit aside from a slightly longer life? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr keef Posted July 30, 2007 Share Posted July 30, 2007 Yea mate and also the copper is gona cause less damage if it does go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homer Posted July 30, 2007 Share Posted July 30, 2007 Yea mate and also the copper is gona cause less damage if it does go. Thats my understanding too, but as yet don't understand why the experts, like CW, recommend swapping to Iridiums after the car is properly mapped Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TLicense Posted July 30, 2007 Share Posted July 30, 2007 I think the feeling is they will stave off det for slightly longer, but when they do go, they go with a bang.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lui Posted July 30, 2007 Share Posted July 30, 2007 So what's best ??? stay with copper plugs or once mapped & all running OK or fit iridiums plugs in place ??? What's the pro's & cons between fitting something like IK24's to copper plugs once mapped ??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex Posted July 31, 2007 Share Posted July 31, 2007 A well mapped engine will have no issues on either type. The iridiums are very nice plugs that you don't have to change very often. And might give better HP, they don't need gapping and you can be sure of what you've got. The coppers melt under det instead of resisting it. Seeing as the mapping process is about as tough on the engine/plugs as it could be. So I'd use the coppers for that process as they are weaker. I'd rather leave plugs in longer (ie iridiums) when it's all mapped up as this reduces the risk of knackering a coil or connector which is a risk of frequent changes. For mapping I would use BKR7E's or BCPR7ES's and then use BKR7IEX's (NGK Iridiums) once it's mapped. Gapping and grades dependent on your spec. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Wilson Posted July 31, 2007 Share Posted July 31, 2007 Thats my understanding too, but as yet don't understand why the experts, like CW, recommend swapping to Iridiums after the car is properly mapped CW DOES NOT say that, I wouldn't run copper plugs in the engine AT ALL. I would also like to think that whoever maps it won't get it into det anyway Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tricky-Ricky Posted July 31, 2007 Share Posted July 31, 2007 Still totally disagree with the copper plugs being weaker, yes they may melt under high det, but i would rather have that than bits of ceramic and iridium pieces in my combustion chamber;) using the term "copper" plugs also leads to misinterpretation as they only have a copper core, not electrode, iridium plugs actually have iridium electrode. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Syed Shah Posted July 31, 2007 Share Posted July 31, 2007 Alex - I remeber a time when you were opposed to Iridiums - what exactly changed? IMHO - I prefer a plug that won't break off and take my engine with it. How many of you can say you simply won't get det? A car that was mapped recently died due to det - any IIRC Chris you supported the mapper in a kind of 'these things happen' way. So which is it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tDR Posted July 31, 2007 Share Posted July 31, 2007 I've been active on both this forum and on sxoc for years and TBH I see iridiums as the more dangerous / fragile kind of plug to use. Several people I know personally have had failures, some disastrous. On the flip side, I've never heard of those kind of failures (electrodes breaking off and causing damage) with NGK Coppers so will always stick to them. Much cheaper at £10 a set where I buy them, never had any problems with them and just change them out every other service or after I know I've given the car loads of abuse mapping or drag racing. Just another consumable like fuel or brake pads IMO Cheers, Brian. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_have Posted July 31, 2007 Share Posted July 31, 2007 I always use copper plugs since destroying a pot due to an overboost (failed AVCR) which broke the tip of my new HKS irridiums. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex Posted August 1, 2007 Share Posted August 1, 2007 Still totally disagree with the copper plugs being weaker, yes they may melt under high det, but i would rather have that than bits of ceramic and iridium pieces in my combustion chamber;) using the term "copper" plugs also leads to misinterpretation as they only have a copper core, not electrode, iridium plugs actually have iridium electrode. Alex - I remeber a time when you were opposed to Iridiums - what exactly changed? IMHO - I prefer a plug that won't break off and take my engine with it. How many of you can say you simply won't get det? A car that was mapped recently died due to det - any IIRC Chris you supported the mapper in a kind of 'these things happen' way. So which is it? I always use copper plugs since destroying a pot due to an overboost (failed AVCR) which broke the tip of my new HKS irridiums. Can I just remind you all. Denso are not the only makers of Iridiums!! Which Iridiums did I suggest???? The NGK's!!! There have, to my knowledge, been no issues or incidents with NGK plugs. If you wish to slate a plug then state the make/type not the construction. and Syed - no I have not changed my tune, I have adjusted my thoughts slightly ie I wouldn't use them for mapping. But that is all. Terry and I used the NGK's on our singles and were very happy with them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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