View Full Version : Unreliability Allegations Regarding AEM ECUs
Following complaints from Dan Turner on behalf of Advanced Engine Management Inc (AEM), and in light of legal action being threatened against the club, I am hereby requesting that no posts or threads are made on this forum regarding the possible unreliability of AEM ECUs that could be perceived as libellous, inflammatory, or potentially reputation damaging, unless you have documented evidence to back up your claims. Of course opinions are allowed as long as they are clearly idenfitied as being in your opinion, as are truthful, first-party experiences, but hearsay will be removed.
mawby
Oh FFS, *I* (that's me, not the club) grow weary of these half-arsed companies that hide behind legal action instead of addressing the problems being highlighted.
For the record I recently sold my eManage Ultimate with a view to moving to AEM, in light of this and other feedback received I will no longer be doing so.
I don't believe this is a reflection on a supplier. I believe this is a result of someone who has an affiliation with a supplier who has spun a story to a supplier who is now using the grunt of the said supplier to attempt to cover his own issues.
Disclaimer : I have not mentioned any supplier or persons, and none should be assumed.
w000t go the big companies and their uber powerful lawyers...
I vote with ban the word AEM from the forum in an equally petty display of toy throwing! :D
Dan Turner on behalf of Advanced Engine Management Inc (AEM) Is Dan Turner an authorised spokesman for said company now then?
w000t go the big companies and their uber powerful lawyers...
I vote with ban the word AEM from the forum in an equally petty display of toy throwing! :D
I personally would ask for a statement DIRECTLY from Advanced Engine Management Inc (AEM), as opposed to someone who is a supplier and not in the employment of AEM.
Advanced Engine Management, Inc.
2205 126th Street, Unit A
Hawthorne Ca. 90250
Phone: (310) 484-2322
Fax: (310) 484-0152
Is Dan Turner an authorised spokesman for said company now then?Dan Turner claims to represent AEM within Europe.
my opinion is that dan turnip is a w4nk3r :D
my opinion is that dan turnip is a w4nk3r :D
Now, that is a comment to make, because strictly speaking that could indeed be true.
Looks like Dan Turner is taking a leaf out of a "certain ex-trader"'s (can't think who that could be!) book on - legal action!
Personally, I reckon if Dan is threatening you mods by going legal - ban him from trading on the BBS.
Weren't a lot of the comments made by professional mappers?
Looks like one comment was made about Mr. Turner that he obviously took offence too. :dummy:
Looks like Dan Turner is taking a leaf out of a "certain ex-trader"'s (can't think who that could be!) book on - legal action!
Personally, I reckon if Dan is threatening you mods by going legal - ban him from trading on the BBS.
:yeahthat: ban ban ban
Looks like Dan Turner is taking a leaf out of a "certain ex-trader"'s (can't think who that could be!) book on - legal action!
Personally, I reckon if Dan is threatening you mods by going legal - ban him from trading on the BBS.
Absolutely, please ban Mr Turnip, threats against the club should result in immediate dismissal IMO.
If they are not willing to address the issue in a professional maner then they dont belong here.
This thread was the personal opinion of Daston.
Dan is not listed as a dealer nor an authorised tuner:
ABP Motorsports
416 Newcastle Road, Shavington
Crewe, Cheshire CW2 5EB
tel 01270567177
abpsales@aol.com
Ji_kan "UK authorized and factory trained tuner"
5 York ride,
weedon, Northants NN7 4PF
tel +441327340123
www.jikan.co.uk
Planet Performance (UK) Ltd. / Funky Power
5 Drybridge Road, Dundonald
South Ayrshire, KA2 9HA
tel 01563 850 240
www.funkypower.com
Sumo Power
Kleer House
Sheerness Kent, ME12 1RS
tel +44 (0) 1795 668899
www.sumopower.com
Unless one of the above is his company name?!
Surely we should check the authenticity of claims with the manufacturer.
Dan is not listed as a dealer nor an authorised tuner:
ABP Motorsports
416 Newcastle Road, Shavington
Crewe, Cheshire CW2 5EB
tel 01270567177
abpsales@aol.com
Ji_kan "UK authorized and factory trained tuner"
5 York ride,
weedon, Northants NN7 4PF
tel +441327340123
www.jikan.co.uk
Planet Performance (UK) Ltd. / Funky Power
5 Drybridge Road, Dundonald
South Ayrshire, KA2 9HA
tel 01563 850 240
www.funkypower.com
Sumo Power
Kleer House
Sheerness Kent, ME12 1RS
tel +44 (0) 1795 668899
www.sumopower.com
Unless one of the above is his company name?!
Surely we should check the authenticity of claims with the manufacturer.
He works out of Ji-Kan Lewis.
Instead of threatening legal action against individuals opinions based on hearsay :rolleyes: As an AEM customer, I would actually hope that a duly authorised representative of AEM would come on here and both challenge the accusations and also stand up for themselves. I now have two cars running AEM and so I would like to know that they are not likely to fail in anyway.
PS. Anyone got an email address for AEM in the states ? Can't find one on their website.
tooquicktostop
09-07-07, 13:38
Instead of threatening legal action against individuals opinions based on hearsay :rolleyes: As an AEM customer, I would actually hope that a duly authorised representative of AEM would come on here and both challenge the accusations and also stand up for themselves. I now have two cars running AEM and so I would like to know that they are not likely to fail in anyway.
PS. Anyone got an email address for AEM in the states ? Can't find one on their website.
Very good point
I'll phone them up and ask their opinion if you want, I've no bones about phoning anyone. *grin*
I have posted some contact details for AEM. As far as DT goes, he has posted on the AEM forum using the company name of JiKan, how far that connection goes I don't know.
Before people start throwing their toys regarding AEM, lets get the full facts, as I stated earlier I'm of the impression that Dan has thrown his toys out of the pram and provided AEM with selective information which they have responded as any company would do. Once they are fully informed then perhaps it will be a different matter.
In Dans voicemail that was left for me he clearly stated that AEM in the US had looked at the forum and asked him to sort it out.
That was about 5 hours after he had refused to come on to the forum to explain what had happened to Tooquick's car or accept any responsibility for it, stating that the car had been running 1.7bar when it arrived and was also running NOS the day before.
It is indeed an unfortunate situation when we may have to severely limit any discussions around AEMs, but if thats how they wish to play it. Perhaps they might like to google "mkiv supra aem" and see how many of the first 5 links actually come back to this forum....
JB
tooquicktostop
09-07-07, 14:09
In Dans voicemail that was left for me he clearly stated that AEM in the US had looked at the forum and asked him to sort it out.
That was about 5 hours after he had refused to come on to the forum to explain what had happened to Tooquick's car or accept any responsibility for it, stating that the car had been running 1.7bar when it arrived and was also running NOS the day before.
It is indeed an unfortunate situation when we may have to severely limit any discussions around AEMs, but if thats how they wish to play it. Perhaps they might like to google "mkiv supra aem" and see how many of the first 5 links actually come back to this forum....
JB
If that was the message you recieved on my car direct from Dan then that is UNTRUE, the car was mapped to 1.35 bar by him a week earlier when we had an issue with a boost leak, I drove the car home and did not drive it again until the mapping session the following week upon which I have a fuel leak on the way, Turbofit corrected the fuel leak (split hose) and the car was taken to Dan for mapping the very next day, AT NO TIME was the NOS ever used by me as it had NEVER been mapped in for use, Dan ran NOS for the first time during the mapping session, why has he told you different ?
Another cock head. 3rd one in less than a year.
Yup, this is me speaking not the club. Kindly Do one!
I represent AEM in Europe through APP and Ji-kan.
Anyone who wishes to contact me can call
01327 340123 or 01908 648955
regards
Dan Turner
Anyone who wishes to contact me can call
How about just being public and answering the questions that have already been posed?, provided of course the questions are reasonable. which majority of them are.
I personally am considering an AEM unit, but without further information I would walk away from an AEM purely on the initial impressions I have seen of yourself both from the results as well as your actions when dealing with the matters which have been brought up on this forum.
So you're a trader then? Your business is to represent promote and sell AEM products.And when others dare to criticise the merits of your products you threaten to go legal on us? Well I've seen threads where you publicly criticise the merits of other products that aren't AEM on this forum.
So to summarise, you're an AEM trader using the forum to promote AEM products. Sell AEM products and have breached forum rules by not registering as a trader when quite clearly you are. If you had have registered, you'd have been gone by now.
You won't be here for much longer imo.
So Dan himself isn't the authorised dealer, Ji Kan is. So is Dan the owner of Ji Kan or is he just speaking on behalf of both Ji Kan and AEM now? I'm betting if someone rang AEM they'd have no knowledge of this, I wonder if "Ji Kan" do.
I represent AEM in Europe through APP and Ji-kan.
Anyone who wishes to contact me can call
someone who cares
regards
Dan Turner
That'll be £500 please for advertising your goods without trader status...
(ps the £500 is a guess)
So Dan himself isn't the authorised dealer, Ji Kan is. So is Dan the owner of Ji Kan or is he just speaking on behalf of both Ji Kan and AEM now? I'm betting if someone rang AEM they'd have no knowledge of this, I wonder if "Ji Kan" do.
Already in progress, I'm going to give AEM a call when the US wake up and have a word and see what the OFFICIAL AEM take is on it. As I have said publically, if I'm not happy with the response then I will walk away from ever considering one of their products, whether or not they will give a damn is up to them.
It is my personal opinion that this guy may well be a muppet.
As I live in Northants, these guys were on my short list to map my car, but after reading toquicktostop's story and seeing how Dan carries out his business...nah. Shame really as they could have been part of the story of the first uk supercharged Supra.
I have no opinion and if anyone says otherwise you're going to have to talk to my lawyer :nyah:
It is my personal opinion that this guy may well be a muppet.
As I live in Northants, these guys were on my short list to map my car, but after reading toquicktostop's story and seeing how Dan carries out his business...nah. Shame really as they could have been part of the story of the first uk supercharged Supra.
Let's use an E-Manage instead, it'll run it just fine.
Oh hang on:
"As I'm sure many of you are aware the EManage ultimate displays an unstable nature especially the early released versions. I have removed so many EUs and blues from cars over the last few years (Ever wondered why there are so many second hand ones available)"
Cripes, an unfounded slag-off of an ECU product! Who would commit such an act!
http://www.mkivsupra.net/vbb/showpost.php?p=1147047&postcount=22
Oh :blink: How strange.
And wasn't that the exact same unit I then tested in my own car for MaveriK and it ran it perfectly for a week? Oh yes it was.
I did however see the map that MaveriK paid Dan for. Anyone who is interested can have a looksee at it but I wouldn't recommend trying to run a car off it.
-Ian
Cripes, an unfounded slag-off of an ECU product! Who would commit such an act!
http://www.mkivsupra.net/vbb/showpost.php?p=1147047&postcount=22
I also note in that thread he's speaking on behalf of Turbofit too!
Jesus, who does he think he is, me?
He works out of Ji-Kan Lewis.
I know ;)
Whilst Ji-Kan may be listed as a dealer, this entitles them to sell and promote the goods. If Dan was in a position to fight legally then he would be an employee of AEM o represent their legal team in the UK. Whilst he may be a mapper and he may be affiliated with Ji-Kan who are in turn affiliated with AEM......it means jack shit (as I am sure you will know Doug).
It's besides the point as he has dug his own grave regarding tradership and therefore will be struck from the member list no doubt.
I represent AEM in Europe through APP and Ji-kan.
Anyone who wishes to contact me can call
01327 340123 or 01908 648955
regards
Dan Turner
Fear not I will be in the very near future
so is there going to be legal action against everyone who has said something "not nice"?
so is there going to be legal action against everyone who has said something "not nice"?
Highly unlikely.
but it is possible though?
I also note in that thread he's speaking on behalf of Turbofit too!
Jesus, who does he think he is, me?
Lol... must have wide doorways in your house :rlol:
I vote with ban the word AEM from the forum in an equally petty display of toy throwing! :D
I second that. 'If' a product is giving problems then respond to the problem, threatening legal action just makes you and the company look arses and it might seem to some that you have something to hide?
Well out of order and has smeared the name further rather than protecting it, not a very good move IMO :p
Already in progress, I'm going to give AEM a call when the US wake up and have a word and see what the OFFICIAL AEM take is on it. As I have said publically, if I'm not happy with the response then I will walk away from ever considering one of their products, whether or not they will give a damn is up to them.
Any luck with this?
JiKan is a trader on here?? When was there last trader survey?? I dont remember it.
After having read all these threads, I dont recall any person saying that the problem was the AEM ECU, I BELIEVE they all said that the problem was the muppet pressing the buttons... that be you!
Anyone selling LINK ECUs should probably increase their prices right about now.
I have no opinion and if anyone says otherwise you're going to have to talk to my lawyer :nyah:
do you even have a lawyer?? :p
do you even have a lawyer?? :p
No but I could get one if you you say any naughty things about me :)
my opinion is that its pathetic. If somone claimed that a product was faulty or not fit for purpose the company/individual should seek to resolve the issue or prove that the product is functioning as described.
Threataning legal action is cheap scare mongering and only serves to harm thier reputation and consumer confidence in thier product.
another forum i use a lot of the member (but mostly the mods) have the following as the first line in there signatures...
"The views expressed above are mine and not those of (insert name/company/forum here)."
Or something similar
Let's use an E-Manage instead, it'll run it just fine.
Oh hang on:
"As I'm sure many of you are aware the EManage ultimate displays an unstable nature especially the early released versions. I have removed so many EUs and blues from cars over the last few years (Ever wondered why there are so many second hand ones available)"
Cripes, an unfounded slag-off of an ECU product! Who would commit such an act!
http://www.mkivsupra.net/vbb/showpost.php?p=1147047&postcount=22
Oh :blink: How strange.
And wasn't that the exact same unit I then tested in my own car for MaveriK and it ran it perfectly for a week? Oh yes it was.
I did however see the map that MaveriK paid Dan for. Anyone who is interested can have a looksee at it but I wouldn't recommend trying to run a car off it.
-Ian
I'm glad you posted this up Ian - I was going to link to that very same thread.
Personally I was about to "upgrade" my Emanage Ultimate to an AEM but if Dan Turner is an example of an approved AEM dealer and/or representative (and going on recent actions/attitude) I'm inclined not to bother.
I'm intrigued to see what Phoenix-One turns up and will then make my decision.
Also will Dan be charged for trader membership retrospectively now?
i do not get it ... Is he threating legal action, because someone said that AEM sucks or he screwed up some job, blown customers engine and customer dared to say this on our forum?
If it is because of no. 1 - well, it is my personal opinion, AEM sux because of crap logo - sue me :rlol:
If it is because of no. 2 - just get rid of this guy from our forums, AEM cannot be responsible for what some guy is doing using their equipment , I could blow up anything including metal ball, if I would try long enough. Again, sue my ass, sad moron.
It was my personal opinion.
PS. why on earth mods dealing with this kind of people? Just ban this guy, ban his IP, do not allow him on this forum anymore!
What a great way to loose customers just because someone is critisizing his job lol!
It is indeed an unfortunate situation when we may have to severely limit any discussions around AEMs, but if thats how they wish to play it. Perhaps they might like to google "mkiv supra aem" and see how many of the first 5 links actually come back to this forum....Well the first result certainly does. :innocent:
supra aem (http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&q=mkiv+supra+aem&btnG=Search&meta=)
Are we not to discuss the reliability of ANY AEM products or could we still potentially discuss the reliability of something like their CDI ignition systems?
Their ECU and their CDI system are two things I was considering purchasing but I may just stick with the DLI and EMU if I can't bug people here for reliability info on AEM products..
I'm intrigued to see what Phoenix-One turns up and will then make my decision.
Still not heard anything yet, so I will giving them another call later today. Guess they aren't brilliant at returning calls...
I have read all the threads and i see opinions from customers (who i believe have a right to aire their opinions good or bad)
There have been a few allegations at Dan Turners door, but i haven't seen any direct bad mouthing of AEM or any of their products.
I can't see them standing a chance if it went to court, it is a blatant attempt to intimidate and bully the club.
I can't for the life of me understand why they think this is a good way to go. All it has done is closed ranks and actually made AEM look bad and lose a large potentioal customer base. :rolleyes:
When an allegation is made against you, step up to the plate and defend yourself, explain why you did what you did. Don't hide away behind a lawyer or a threat of legal action because in my view it marks you down as guilty (even if you aren't).
Perhaps saving all the threads in question would be good just in case.
Are we not to discuss the reliability of ANY AEM products or could we still potentially discuss the reliability of something like their CDI ignition systems?
Their ECU and their CDI system are two things I was considering purchasing but I may just stick with the DLI and EMU if I can't bug people here for reliability info on AEM products..
I wouldnt want people to stop discussing AEM products for fear of comeback. I think if there are problems with the AEM and those making the posts have direct evidence of those problems then it needs ot be discussed. It does need that level of proof though as AEM (through their European distributor) are obviously concerned about some discussions that have been had.
JB
can't for the life of me understand why they think this is a good way to go.
Simple. Paul Evans & Miami-GT (BEFORE ANDY HANNAH OWNED IT) used to threaten the club with legal action all the time - when things weren't going his way.
He got away with that kind of bullying then - Dan thinks he can do the same now. But this time, I think the mods are getting wise and are sick & tired of the "Ye Olde" Legal action.
it is worth saying that if AEM themselves wish to discuss any of the statements made about their hardware then they are free to do so. They must be reading the forum as they asked Dan to sort it out....
JB
it is worth saying that if AEM themselves wish to discuss any of the statements made about their hardware then they are free to do so. They must be reading the forum as they asked Dan to sort it out....
JB
You appear to be assuming than Dan is telling the truth and is indeed acting on behalf of AEM. I doubt that, unless the mods know something we don't?
We know that Dan Tuner has contacted us both via telephone and email to complain about certain posts on this forum. (If you're reading this Dan, I am still waiting for you to reply to my email asking for details of which posts you object to. Without that list I cannot take any steps to rectify the problem)
I would paste the email here but I'd hate for anyone to start complaining about copyright issues, so here is my version of it.
Dan claims to represent AEM, and that AEM originally contacted him to notify him of comments made on our site. He claims some of the comments made are intentionally trying to steer people away from AEM products. He claims that AEM have reported cancelled orders as a result of our site, and he claims that AEM consider this a Loss of Business and could seek legal action against us as a result. He blames the moderators for not acting on these comments. He requests we that we remove any such posts and post up warning our members not to make accusations. (Hence this thread) Finally he claims there is no need for him to defend himself on our site.
So there you have it.
Given the legal implications of somone claiming to represent a major company like AEM when they don't - we have to assume that Dans claims to represent AEM regarding this matter are accurate. We have not made any attempts yet to verify this though. We will be interested to here what response Phoenix-One gets from AEM, and if there are doubts over the validity of Dans claims then we shall consider what options to take next.
I think it's just empty threats in an attempt by him to get the threads bashing him to be removed.
He claims that AEM have reported cancelled orders as a result of our site,
Don't think that any cancelled orders will be as a result of threads discussing the AEM hardware, from discussions had I believe that the AEM is still viewed highly and will still be purchased - albeit I suspect not from Dan Turner, Jikan, Dan Turner Engineering, Jakan, Merlin Motorsport, Advanced Motorsport Engineering or any other business entity related to Dan Turner. Simply down to the way he has handled himself on this forum.
Case in point, I bought an AEM ems from Miami-GT recently, including AEM IAT and AEM MAP sensor. Therefore, AEM business is NOT at risk. I suspect Dan's might be though.
I will continue to use AEM equipment as I believe it to be excellent in terms of performance, features, value and function. If AEM are concerned then I feel they should make a post here on the forum to dispel any myths and allay our fears, and maybe they need to look for an alternative European Representative ???
AEM must be really struggling if they are complaining about 1 or 2 people changing their minds based on the information available on here.
All advice on the forum (even about tyre choice) is given by members with the best of intentions to other members. If AEM really do care about their perceived lake of quality control that's blighted particularly the CDI system then I'd welcome their input.
fu*k me. If customer opinion isnt allowed anywhere any more watchdog must be fu*ked!
fu*k me. If customer opinion isnt allowed anywhere any more watchdog must be fu*ked!
Here, here.
Customers are more than welcome to their opinions, and all a forum ever is at the end of the day is opinions. A legal case based on opinions has about as much strength as a nat with an extreemly bad cold.
Although im sure a note at the bottom of the forum stating something like the below might help in future:
"All individual posts on this forum are the opinions of their respective owners and are in no way the opinions of the site owners or moderators"
I've just spoken to AEM, and waiting to hear back from them... will post updates as they come in...
I've just spoken to AEM, and waiting to hear back from them... will post updates as they come in...
Are they mutes or do they need to consult their legal team before they say anything?
:innocent:
Are they mutes or do they need to consult their legal team before they say anything?
:innocent:
Not sure, from what the woman said when I spoke to her on the phone, she said she would be speaking to the Sales Manager. She also requested an email. I've requested information with regards to who is an authorised DISTRIBUTOR and who is authorised to speak on behalf of AEM.
I do have a name, number and email address, which I've made available to the mods, but I'd rather not put it up publically.
I represent AEM in Europe through APP and Ji-kan.
Anyone who wishes to contact me can call
01327 340123 or 01908 648955
regards
Dan Turner
How about just being public and answering the questions that have already been posed?, provided of course the questions are reasonable. which majority of them are.
.
Still no answer...
customer feedback good or bad is part and parcel of running a business,maybe packing up is advisable.
I am sure the company I work for would get far suing our customers if they bound about allegations of poor service / products
I think more time and energy should go into resolving and commuincating rather than suing.
As Ian said P S;)
This is my opinion and is not in anyway endorsed by our great club
No but I could get one if you you say any naughty things about me :)
How much is this including shipping please Nic :p
Okay, I now have an OFFICIAL comment from AEM. My original assumption was indeed correct in that it was Dan Turner making the legal threat and NOT AEM. Please don't confuse this with the 'Is he a good mapper / bad mapper thread. It is purely based on the information provide regarding the threat of legal action. Their view is that Dan Turner is an authorised tuner and has had good feedback (This is not open to debate on this thread I feel, save it for the other threads).
I have been in contact with AEM, who were NOT aware of the legal action threatened by Dan Turner. They infact welcome comments regarding the AEM unit, and have said they will post up a comment.
Here is the AEM email and comments in a completely uneditted form.
Gavan,
My name is Jeremy Barras from AEM (really!). I have reviewed the forum
thread you have included. I presume that you are the "JustGav" on the
thread.
Dan Turner is an approved AEM Tuner in the UK, who is a part owner in
Jikan, who is also a customer of ours. He is not an employee of AEM.
Your email is the first information we have received concerning this
issue. There have been no discussions previously concerning the forum
comments, which we were actually not aware of. There has also obviously
been no threat of legal actions or the like therefore.
If I understand this all correctly, this is a mapping issue, not an
equipment issue, so I am not really qualified to comment from a
distance on what happened with the vehicles in question.
In none of the threads did I find a reference to a faulty ECU
contributing to this issue.
What sort of pistons did the car in question have? Stock?
As you are I am sure well aware, we do sell a large number of EMSs'
for the Supra applications, and this for a number of years very
successfully. Generally the market response has been very good and
feedback very positive.
Certainly if any users are having issues with the EMS, we do expect
them to bring this to our attention and to discuss it with us in
forums. That is why, if you go to the AEM website, you have the
opportunity to join in any number of different electronics forums which
we post and moderate to exchange views and experiences, and to share
solutions. We even have a specific Supra forum. Worth a visit perhaps
and an ideal place for you to discuss any issues with the EMS you feel
might be warranted!
Dan Turner, is in our opinion, a talented and knowledgeable tuner of
our EMS. He has been working with it for some years now, and we have
generally always heard positive feedback from satisfied customers.
We do have other qualified tuners we can recommend, and if you can let
me know where you are located, we can recommend the one closest to you.
If you want us to contribute to your forum thread on this subject, we
are of course happy to do this, provided of course it does not turn
into a full time job!
Hope this clarifies everything, and no, we did not consult our
attorney before writing this!
best regards
Jeremy
I especially like the last comment, shows they do have a sense of humour *grin*
Makes Dan Turner look a bit of a bullshiting knob :d
Yep, well done Gav.
So somebody was talking a load of b******s then!
Good work Gav.
Cheers dude..
I will state clearly here, that my motive for doing all this work was not one against Dan's tuning ability, but simply that he threatened the club. I didn't believe for one minute an american company such as AEM would simply pull this kind of stunt. I've worked with plenty american companies, and smaller ones such as AEM would regard the UK as an emerging market, while I realize some people might not use the AEM products due to technical preferences, it would have been a shame for one person to muddy the waters with regards a unit which would be suitable or preferrential for some people.
I have also made the email addresses and the contact details for the people at AEM available to the mods for them to carry on this possible new relationship with AEM.
PS : Sorry about the big words, having to use them a lot at work now *grin* :)
Are they mutes or do they need to consult their legal team before they say anything?
:innocent:
I believe they put a special line for you in the email *grin*
Well done Gav. Your support regarding this matter is greatly appreciated.
nice one Gav. Maybe they should recommend some of the mappers in general areas??
Yeah, Gav can you get and post the list of AEM mappers that AEM recommend???
We can then sticky that list somewhere...
Another billy bullshitter dispensed with, good work Gav :)
-Ian
:clap: well done gav! *GRIN* :p
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