NA-T kit

Hi guys

A mate of mine, want's to T his NA.. I think he want's a kit of somekind. What can you get a good na-t kit for, and where.

What is needed to complete the installation besides the kit, boost controller, ecu, ect....???

Thanks

Do a search for it, there are tons of threads on here regarding this

Do a search for it, there are tons of threads on here regarding this

Try this site:

http://www.clubna-t.com/forums/showthread.php?t=13

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Hi guys

 

A mate of mine, want's to T his NA.. I think he want's a kit of somekind. What can you get a good na-t kit for, and where.

What is needed to complete the installation besides the kit, boost controller, ecu, ect....???

Thanks

Let us know if there is anything that we can do to help your mate find the right kit for his needs!

Cheers,

Joe

Hi guys

 

A mate of mine, want's to T his NA.. I think he want's a kit of somekind. What can you get a good na-t kit for, and where.

What is needed to complete the installation besides the kit, boost controller, ecu, ect....???

Thanks

Converting an NA Supra to NA-T is not as simple as bolting on a kit, there are LOTS of ancillary parts needed to do the job 'properly'.

Compression needs to be lowered, ideally by fitting new pistons, the cheaper (and less effective) option is to use a thicker head gasket. These aren't cheap plus you'll need an number of other OEM gaskets and seals to do the install.

Fueling (injectors, pump, fuel pressure regulator, rail, fuel lines, etc.)

Clutch/Gearbox that can cope with the power.

LSD - not essential, but I wouldn't want to drive a high powered Supra without one.

Bigger brakes - ditto above.

ECU + mapping - full standalone ideally.

Other - Gauges, boost controller, etc.

Not a cheap job, budget on at least £10k to do it properly, probably more. Not worth it IMO, makes much more sense to buy a TT which will make similar power at BPU levels, should be reliable and cost a lot less.

Hi guys

 

A mate of mine, want's to T his NA..

Thanks

 

Not a cheap job, budget on at least £10k to do it properly, probably more. Not worth it IMO, makes much more sense to buy a TT which will make similar power at BPU levels, should be reliable and cost a lot less.

How old is his car? IMO if it's old Supra the best option is sell it and buy a TT.

Converting an NA Supra to NA-T is not as simple as bolting on a kit, there are LOTS of ancillary parts needed to do the job 'properly'.

 

Compression needs to be lowered, ideally by fitting new pistons, the cheaper (and less effective) option is to use a thicker head gasket. These aren't cheap plus you'll need an number of other OEM gaskets and seals to do the install.

 

Fueling (injectors, pump, fuel pressure regulator, rail, fuel lines, etc.)

 

Clutch/Gearbox that can cope with the power.

 

LSD - not essential, but I wouldn't want to drive a high powered Supra without one.

 

Bigger brakes - ditto above.

 

ECU + mapping - full standalone ideally.

 

Other - Gauges, boost controller, etc.

 

Not a cheap job, budget on at least £10k to do it properly, probably more. Not worth it IMO, makes much more sense to buy a TT which will make similar power at BPU levels, should be reliable and cost a lot less.

You are scaring him off Nic

Proper NA-T conversion set will cost you 2,5k pounds. This includes EVERYTHING needed turbowise.

You will need seperatelly - OEM TT headgasket + few other gaskets (200 pounds)

Forget about boost controller, boost in standart NA-T set is set by pin. You need AFR gauge only. (100 pounds?)

It is wise to change clutch - 5 manual gearbox will stand around 350 bhp easy, autobox will stand this amount of power too.

TRD clutch set - 500 pounds for all.

Instalation should be costwise NOT more than 1500 pounds I would say (this including headhasket change). Id someone charging you more, he is simply robbing you.

You can change brakes later, just put new pads (CW pads - 120 pounds)

So total:

2500 for NA-T set + around 300 pounds for transport from USA

200 headgasket

500 clutch

Gauges 100 pounds

instalation 1500 pounds max

pads 120 pounds

Total 5k - 5,5k for good job and good kit (PHR stage 1 or Boostlogic Stage 1).

10k mentioned by Nic is with wheels change, AEM managment, new dash panel, new TRD wheel, leather seats, full respray of car and rental of 2 blondie birds for month on passenger seat

You are scaring him off Nic

I'm just being realistic, I know what's involved and know it will ALWAYS cost more than you'd originally budgetted for. For example you've not mentioned any way of controlling the fueling in your list or any fueling components.

Then there are unforeseen problems eg. an old radiator not up to the job of cooling, worn OEM parts that suddenly let go due to added stress, etc.

You cannot 'properly' (ie. reliable and fast) convert a Supra to NA-T for £5-5.5K.

Oh and I am tryng to scare him as I personally don't think it makes any sense.

 

10k mentioned by Nic is with wheels change, AEM managment, new dash panel, new TRD wheel, leather seats, full respray of car and rental of 2 blondie birds for month on passenger seat

LOL. £5k for first extra 130fwhp, then another £5k for additional 100fwhp.

 

You cannot 'properly' (ie. reliable and fast) convert a Supra to NA-T for £5-5.5K.

You are right.

Oh and I am tryng to scare him as I personally don't think it makes any sense.

Thanks Nic. It makes sense when you own mint, young car and you can't import 2002 TT (and don't want to buy 14 years old car) for example.

I'm just being realistic, I know what's involved and know it will ALWAYS cost more than you'd originally budgetted for. For example you've not mentioned any way of controlling the fueling in your list or any fueling components.

 

I said before - it is included in set (BL or PHR) - you got 440cc injectors, you got resistor pack and APEXI SAFC to control fueling. They also include Walbro pump...

And yea, it is always case with worn elements, but isn't it same with swapping engine to TT or buy TT? You can buy TT for 7k yes, but how do you know, if in next 3 months your turbo seals will pack up, headgasket will pack up, stem seals will go away, turbo will blow away as it will have best time behind it?

I'm just saying, that NA-T is SAFE option, more safe then used TT and BPU'ed later. You got for same price used NA with brand spanking new turbo set, brand spanking new fueling and brand spanking new headgasket and other seals! He already did mention, that his mate have car already.

All depends what he want to do really. For me 350 bhp is enough to feel power and smack 95% of everyday cars around.

And do not talk about value - it is one big laugh these days

SAFC to control fuelling is totally inadequate, and what about the ignition timing? Timing demands for a turbo are TOTALLY different to an N/A!! For 5K you can buy a beautiful auto J-Spec TT, I have seen 2 this year, both were bought privately, both had no issues. I get almost daily phone calls from people with NA to TT conversions who have serious problems, usually bottom end failures. I turn them away unless they will pay for a standalone ECU and proper mapping, as I KNOW this is neccessay for reliability.

Ok then, change SAFC2 worth 200 pounds to E-manage Blue (400?) and give to Ian C for mapping.

Chris - to get beautiful auto TT for 5k you have to be lucky, really... You are specialist, you know, what to look for, how to solve problem if it will creep out, most of us are not. Besides, guy said at the start he already have a car i think...

Added: It will be also just one map, as car will not have boost controler, just stable let's say 0.7 - 0.8 bar to get to 300-350 bhp.