Guest Supeara Posted March 30, 2007 Share Posted March 30, 2007 Right i have a few bob ready for spending, I'm after more power.. Looked at going down the big turbo road (T78). however i've seen these American packs where everything comes with it (injectors/pump/turbo manifold etc) are these any good, good turbo life etc Should i go Trust T78 kit with 550ccs + Big core intercooler + Remap? would that be safe? My TT is pretty much standard performance wise just now.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanM Posted March 30, 2007 Share Posted March 30, 2007 And what are you aiming for? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Supeara Posted March 30, 2007 Share Posted March 30, 2007 And what are you aiming for? Tons of Torque and around 450-500-550ish Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wez Posted March 30, 2007 Share Posted March 30, 2007 Remap? That will be an aftermarket ECU Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wez Posted March 30, 2007 Share Posted March 30, 2007 Tons of Torque and around 450-500-550ish Dont need a big turbo for that, something like a PHR Stage 1 or a GT35 would do the job and give nice spool and oodles of torque. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Supeara Posted March 30, 2007 Share Posted March 30, 2007 Dont need a big turbo for that, something like a PHR Stage 1 or a GT35 would do the job and give nice spool and oodles of torque. Whats involved with that size of turbo, other parts wise? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homer Posted March 30, 2007 Share Posted March 30, 2007 The most important thing to consider is what you're going to be using the car for. If its going to be used as a road car you're going to be looking for a smaller, fast spooling turbo. The big turbo's are best left to the drag cars. Also, don;t get stuck into the US idea of big turbo's most of their cars would be useless on British roads, we don;t have the miles and miles of huge straight roads they have! Also, do you mean a Greddy T78? They're a bit old hat now, there's much more modern, faster spooling turbo's around. The injector size you mention is far too small for anything bigger than a T61 on low boost (less than 1.2bar). You'll also need a hell of a lot more mods than you listed! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b.weeks Posted March 30, 2007 Share Posted March 30, 2007 Guys - sorry to hi-jack - but is there a list of all the different turbos, and their charateristics anywhere? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanM Posted March 30, 2007 Share Posted March 30, 2007 too late there are hundreds of threads on here, been collecting info fo r months and just about ready to choose my turbo now as far as I know - there is no definitive list Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homer Posted March 30, 2007 Share Posted March 30, 2007 Whats involved with that size of turbo, other parts wise? Here's the parts list for my turbo conversion (and this was a budget one!) Engine components Cost XS power kit £599.00 BL T67 dbb Turbo £900.00 AEM Air filter £40.00 BL oil kit £120.00 BL IC pipe £30.00 Blitz SBC ID-III BC £330.00 O2 flange £15.00 Nuts and bolts for T4 flange £10.00 PCV filter £12.00 Replacement water feed hose £9.92 4in silicon hose 120deg bend £52.95 M14 copper washer (x3) £0.39 1/2in braided hose (1m) £21.06 -10 hose finisher (x2) £11.70 1/4in braided hose (2m) £11.19 Steel tee piece 3/8in push on £5.29 Steel tee piece 3/16in push on (x3) £8.21 Hose support 0.25 ID (x4) £3.62 Hose support 0.44 ID (x4) £3.90 Hose support 1.13 ID £1.19 3/8in braided hose (2m) £13.42 Steel -8 x M14x1.5 adaptor (x2) £5.55 Alu -8 x M14x1.5 adaptor (x2) £6.42 Aeroquip 90deg -8 swivel (x3) £71.80 Exhaust Wrap (4m) £6.53 Aeroquip 90deg -4 swivel £17.77 Aeroquip -4/-3 adaptor £4.04 1/8nptf 90 deg fitting for 1/4in hose £3.29 Thinkauto postage costs £23.50 20mm Jubilee clips (x10) £6.00 Metal tie wraps free! Fabric heat wrap free! Exhaust Flexi pipe £50.00 3in-2.5in silicon adaptor £20.00 2.5in silicon pipe £20.00 HKS aluminium flange £25.00 Greddy 3 Row FMIC £900 Aeromotive FPR £120 Drivetrain Kevlar clucth £450 Stock flywheel £250 Fitting £200 Fabrication costs Manifold wastegate adaption £20.00 Downpipe adaptions (3 times!) £60.00 Filter intake cutting and filling £20.00 IC pipe flange & cutting £30.00 Screamer pipe adjustement £20.00 Adaptor Compressor housing £20.00 Fueling and ECU Emanage Blue £150.00 Fields Harness £175.00 Connectors for EMB wiring £13.00 Power enterprise 800cc injectors £450.00 Mapping £300.00 Gauges AFR Gauge £180 Greddy Boost gauge £120 Service items Oil filter £7.38 10 litres Toyota Red coolant £30.50 Oil drain plug gasket £0.78 6 litres Silkone ProS 15w50 £55.00 Gasket paste £4.00 Other items 3inch 2nd decat £100 Boostlogic 4inch cat back £400 Total: £6552 (Not including labour) This is witrhout touching the bottom end or head. If you're going for more than 600bhp (450-500ibft) then you should rebuild the bottom end, so an extra £4-5k Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanM Posted March 30, 2007 Share Posted March 30, 2007 Good one Homer, I have quite a lot of the things on your list, cept went for the AEM system. Concise list, thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homer Posted March 30, 2007 Share Posted March 30, 2007 Good one Homer, I have quite a lot of the things on your list, cept went for the AEM system. Concise list, thanks No problem. With hindsight, I should have gone with the AEM too. It's worth spending that extra money for all those extra features. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanM Posted March 30, 2007 Share Posted March 30, 2007 Yea, well Ihave gained a little knowledge whilst dithering about but have also picked up a lot of bargains along the way. Got a card in the door tonight from postie man, think that might be my 880 injectors I bought off Terry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nic Posted March 30, 2007 Share Posted March 30, 2007 If you are planning to convert to a single turbo, the first thing I would do as Homer says, is ask yourself, what you will be using the car for and what are your aims? This will then be a starting point to then do your research and find out what parts you will need to achieve this. Most, if not all of the Japanese kits are more aimed towards bigger power figures. The T78 is one of the smaller kits available, but as said is quite a few years old now and there are more upto date options available out there now. In terms of a good street kits, then I would look at the following US options, all of which use quality components which are tried and tested. Boost Logic T61 or T67 Power House Racing Street kit Power House Racing Stage 1 or 2 Kit Or you could put together you own kit, which is what I've just done, mine is a mix of Japanese and US parts using a Garret GT3582R turbo. There is also alot more to consider than just which kit to get, there are a LOT of supporting mods that are needed to do the job properly. eg. fueling, ECU, cooling, Intercooler, clutch, brakes, suspension, LSD, RLTC, gauges, tyres, etc. If you are starting with a stock Supra, then you should budget for a minimum of around £10K+ to do the job properly. It all adds up and the more research and planning you do, the less suprises you will get down the line. I would also start off by making sure your engine and other parts you will be using are in good working order. No point fitting a kit, then finding out that your stem seals are leaking, compression is not as it should be, your radiator is knackered (this one caught me out this week ), etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanM Posted March 30, 2007 Share Posted March 30, 2007 Sorry for hijack but are you getting your Pm's Nic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nic Posted March 30, 2007 Share Posted March 30, 2007 Sorry for hijack but are you getting your Pm's Nic Hi Alan Yes sorry, I've been running around trying to sort my car out over the last few days and got behind with my corresondence. It's going up for 2am now here, so my brain isn't in work mode at the moment. I'll get back to you tomorrow if that is okay. cheers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanM Posted March 30, 2007 Share Posted March 30, 2007 no probs Nic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted March 30, 2007 Share Posted March 30, 2007 4in silicon hose 120deg bend £52.95 F U C K. M E. That's for Qty1 is it? Why so expensive? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grahamc Posted March 30, 2007 Share Posted March 30, 2007 well, 450 is reachable with the standard(ish) turbo setup. Really comes down to your aim (asked before) and your budget. I am following this path for my car: Hybrid turbos HKS fuel system FMIC HKS 264/264 cams HKS Clutch and flywheel Induction Exhaust LINK ECU Still busy with the install, but should be done in the next 2 weeks or so... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homer Posted March 30, 2007 Share Posted March 30, 2007 F U C K. M E. That's for Qty1 is it? Why so expensive? Yep, thats for 1. I nearly hit the floor when the guy game me the price! It was more than the going rate (Thinkauto are not good for silicon hoses), but I still can't find them for too much less. I think it was expensive as it wasn't just the bend, but had a good 10inches of pipe either side (After I cut the pipe down I resold these for £12 each, so its didn't work out so bad!) ....waits for someone to post a link with them for a tenner.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homer Posted March 30, 2007 Share Posted March 30, 2007 How much would you say that is costing you Graham? (Not getting into the single vs Hyrids thing, but it'd be good info for 'Supeara') Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanM Posted March 30, 2007 Share Posted March 30, 2007 No problem. With hindsight, I should have gone with the AEM too. It's worth spending that extra money for all those extra features. Would you still go with the 67 turbo with the same hindsight? You happy with the result? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homer Posted March 30, 2007 Share Posted March 30, 2007 Would you still go with the 67 turbo with the same hindsight? You happy with the result? I've not actually driven it in anger yet so it's a bit early to say whether it was the right choice. It was frighteningly quick when the turbo spooled even with the base map, to be honest I think it might be a bit too powerful for a daily driver. If I were doing it again I would certainly give more thought to the PHR/BL T61. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted March 30, 2007 Share Posted March 30, 2007 OTOH I'm looking at changing from a PHR1 to a BL67DBB at the moment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homer Posted March 30, 2007 Share Posted March 30, 2007 OTOH I'm looking at changing from a PHR1 to a BL67DBB at the moment. To save you the hassle of switching the turbo, we could just swap cars.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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